Re: Linus: Security is "people wanking around with their opinions"

2007-11-12 Thread James Morris
On Tuesday 02 Oct 2007 09:28:09 -0700 Peter Gutmann wrote: > [Linus quote...] > So the difference between them is simple: one is 'hard science'. The > is 'people wanking around with their opinions'." Just to clarify: this line of discussion arose from my advocacy of the Linux kernel having a fl

Re: Linus: Security is "people wanking around with their opinions"

2007-10-03 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| I often say, "Rub a pair of cryptographers together, and you'll | get three opinions. Ask three, you'll get six opinions." :-) | | However, he's talking about security, which often isn't quantifiable! >From what I see in the arguments, it's more complicated than that. On one side, we have SeL

Re: Linus: Security is "people wanking around with their opinions"

2007-10-02 Thread William Allen Simpson
I often say, "Rub a pair of cryptographers together, and you'll get three opinions. Ask three, you'll get six opinions." :-) However, he's talking about security, which often isn't quantifiable! And don't get me ranting about "provable" security Had a small disagreement with somebody at G

Re: Linus: Security is "people wanking around with their opinions"

2007-10-02 Thread Ben Laurie
Peter Gutmann wrote: > For people who don't read LKML (or get interesting bits forwarded to them), > there's a wonderful quote by Linus Torvalds about the difference between OS > scheduler design and security design: > > "Schedulers can be objectively tested. There's this thing called > 'perfo

Linus: Security is "people wanking around with their opinions"

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Gutmann
For people who don't read LKML (or get interesting bits forwarded to them), there's a wonderful quote by Linus Torvalds about the difference between OS scheduler design and security design: "Schedulers can be objectively tested. There's this thing called 'performance', that can generally be qu