[Moderator's note: my forwarding this is not an indication that I want
to continue the are certs IP discussion. --Perry]
Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com writes:
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
[...]
3) It can't be copyrighted, it contains no creativity.
You
In responding to what Steven M. Bellovin wrote about GeoTrust, I
mentioned the low UK copyright law requirement for creativity.
As a postscript to that observation, I draw attention to s9(3) of the UK
Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988:
(3) In the case of a literary, dramatic, musical or
Hi all,
Say I have discovered a marvelous method of easily factoring
RSA keys, which unfortunately the margin of this emacs buffer
is too small to contain, and I then go out, factor GeoTrust's
CA key and issue a new certificate.
Questions:
Am I now infringing on GeoTrust's IP rights?
[Moderator's note: I've been clamping down on the IP discussion since
not much more really new was being said, but I'm allowing this through
because it brings up an interesting side point -- I will reply to it
to move to that discussion. --Perry]
* Perry E. Metzger:
However, a cert seems almost
Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de writes:
4) It can't be trademarked because the company named in the DN is long
gone
(It's quite strange that so many of the browser root certs use DNs
which aren't correct anymore.)
It isn't strange -- it is part of the fairly frightening ecology we've
On Feb 12, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Donald Eastlake wrote:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger
pe...@piermont.com wrote:
s...@acw.com writes:
...
There are four kinds of intellectual property. Is it a trade secret?
No. Is it a trademark or something allied like trade dress? No.
I was reading a CPS from GeoTrust -- 91 pages of legalese! -- and came
across the following statement:
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, GeoTrust's
root public keys and the root Certificates containing them,
including all self-signed certificates, are the
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 04:54:48PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Under what legal theory might a certificate -- or a key! -- be
considered property? There wouldn't seem to be enough creativity in
a certificate, let alone a key, to qualify for copyright protection.
Private and secret keys
s...@acw.com writes:
It seems to me that a cryptographic key is property in the same sense that
the formula for Coca Cola is property.
We're discussing certificates, not secret keys.
In theory, a secret key might be a trade secret.
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
1)
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I was reading a CPS from GeoTrust -- 91 pages of legalese! -- and came
across the following statement:
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, GeoTrust's
root public keys and the root Certificates containing them,
including all
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
If anybody can alter, revoke or reissue a certificate then I agree it is
common property to which attaches no meaningful notion of property rights.
If on the other hand only certain people can alter, revoke or reissue a
certificate then it
s...@acw.com writes:
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
If anybody can alter, revoke or reissue a certificate then I agree it is
common property to which attaches no meaningful notion of property rights.
If on the other hand only certain people can alter, revoke or
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com wrote:
s...@acw.com writes:
...
There are four kinds of intellectual property. Is it a trade secret?
No. Is it a trademark or something allied like trade dress? No. Is it
patentable? No. Is it copyrightable? No.
So,
Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com wrote:
s...@acw.com writes:
...
There are four kinds of intellectual property. Is it a trade secret?
No. Is it a trademark or something allied like trade dress? No. Is it
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:49:37AM -0700, s...@acw.com wrote:
If anybody can alter, revoke or reissue a certificate then I agree it is
common property to which attaches no meaningful notion of property rights.
If on the other hand only certain people can alter, revoke or reissue a
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