Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-13 Thread John Levine
8Kbit/second is enough if all you need is to understand what is being said, not recognize the speaker. The processing power to do this is pretty small on today's scale of things.) With decent compression techniques, 8kbps is close to telephone quality, and 2400bps has artifacts but is still

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-11 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:26 AM 12/9/2006, Daniel F. Fisher wrote: Ian Farquhar (ifarquha) wrote The other problem for this technique is battery life. Suppose this worked by recording from mic to memory and then transmitting later. This leads to a bunch of questions: By what factor could transmission

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-09 Thread Daniel F. Fisher
Ian Farquhar (ifarquha) wrote The other problem for this technique is battery life. Suppose this worked by recording from mic to memory and then transmitting later. This leads to a bunch of questions: By what factor could transmission time/power be reduced sending such a recording later?

RE: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Farquhar (ifarquha)
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taral Sent: Monday, 4 December 2006 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Ioannidis; cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: Re: cellphones as room bugs On 12/3/06, Thor Lancelot Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a while

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:26:07 -0500 Thor Lancelot Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 05:15:02PM -0500, John Ioannidis wrote: On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Alex Alten
At 10:21 AM 12/2/2006 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thor Lancelot Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's been a while since I built ISDN equipment but I do not think this is correct: can you show me how, exactly, one uses Q.931 to instruct the other endpoint to go off-hook? You make use of the undocumented remote management interface [0]. Peter.

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Taral
On 12/3/06, Thor Lancelot Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a while since I built ISDN equipment but I do not think this is correct: can you show me how, exactly, one uses Q.931 to instruct the other endpoint to go off-hook? That's the same question I have. I don't remember seeing

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread John Ioannidis
On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 09:26:15PM -0600, Taral wrote: That's the same question I have. I don't remember seeing anything in the GSM standard that would allow this either. I'll hazard a guess: mobile providers can send a special type of message (not sure if it would be classed as an SMS) with

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread John Ioannidis
On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:21 AM 12/2/2006, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The technique is

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:21 AM 12/2/2006, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. BTW, its easy to

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 05:15:02PM -0500, John Ioannidis wrote: On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile

cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-02 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The technique is called a roving bug, and was approved by top