On Dec 30, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Jerry Leichter wrote:
This is a highly chaotic process, and after a short time, you see a
completely random-looking dispersion of dye through the liquid.
Present this to someone and any likely test will say this is quite
random. But ... if you slow turn the inn
On Dec 30, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Jerry Leichter wrote:
On Dec 30, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Jon Callas wrote:
We don't have a formal definition of what we mean by random. My
definition is that it needs to be unguessable. If I have a random
number and the work factor for you to guess it is more or less
On Dec 30, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Jon Callas wrote:
We don't have a formal definition of what we mean by random. My
definition is that it needs to be unguessable. If I have a random
number and the work factor for you to guess it is more or less its
randomness. It's a Shannonesque way of looking t
The thing that bothers me about this description is the too-easy
jump between "chaotic" and "random". They're different concepts,
and chaotic doesn't imply random in a cryptographic sense: It may
be possible to induce bias or even some degree of predictability in
a chaotic system by man
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:45:27AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> Of course, every time a manufacturer has tried it, assorted people
> (including many on this list) complain that it's been sabotaged by the
> NSA or by alien space bats or some such.
Well, maybe it has. Or maybe it was just not
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:49:06 -0500
Jack Lloyd wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 08:12:09PM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
> >
> > Semiconductor laser based RNG with rates in the gigabits per second.
> >
> > http://www.physorg.com/news148660964.html
> >
> > My take: neat, but not as important as
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 08:12:09PM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
>
> Semiconductor laser based RNG with rates in the gigabits per second.
>
> http://www.physorg.com/news148660964.html
>
> My take: neat, but not as important as simply including a decent
> hardware RNG (even a slow one) in all PC
On Dec 28, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
Semiconductor laser based RNG with rates in the gigabits per second.
http://www.physorg.com/news148660964.html
My take: neat, but not as important as simply including a decent
hardware RNG (even a slow one) in all PC chipsets would be.
Tru
Semiconductor laser based RNG with rates in the gigabits per second.
http://www.physorg.com/news148660964.html
My take: neat, but not as important as simply including a decent
hardware RNG (even a slow one) in all PC chipsets would be.
Perry
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