Re: [camram-spam] Re: Microsoft publicly announces Penny Black PoW postage project

2003-12-31 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 7:46 PM + 12/30/03, Richard Clayton wrote: where does our esteemed moderator get _his_ stamps from ? A whitelist for my friends, etc... Whitelist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation

Re: [camram-spam] Re: Microsoft publicly announces Penny Black PoW postage project

2003-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:46 PM 12/30/2003 +, Richard Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [what about mailing lists] Obviously you'd have to whitelist anybody's list you're joining if you don't want your spam filters to robo-discard it. moan I never understand why people think spam is a technical problem :( let

Re: [ISN] Oh Dan Geer, where art thou?

2003-12-31 Thread Anish
Hi All, I hope that those who talk aloud ,especially against the powerful survive. Else the technology which was supposed to give democracy the boost - Internet would be crushed -by the forces who believe that voices of dissent should be silenced. To add to the injury would be the death of

Re: hiding attestation from the consumer

2003-12-31 Thread John Gilmore
There isn't really any security benefit obtained by hiding the content of the attestation _from the party providing it_! This statement reveals confusion between the parties. There are at least three parties involved in an attestation: * The DRM'd product vendor (somewhere on the net) *

Re: Difference between TCPA-Hardware and a smart card (was: example: secure computing kernel needed)

2003-12-31 Thread Seth David Schoen
David Wagner writes: So it seems that third-party-directed remote attestation is really where the controversy is. Owner-directed remote attestation doesn't have these policy tradeoffs. Finally, I'll come back to the topic you raised by noting that your example application is one that could

Re: why penny black etc. are not very useful

2003-12-31 Thread Ben Laurie
Perry E. Metzger wrote: In my opinion, the various hashcash-to-stop-spam style schemes are not very useful, because spammers now routinely use automation to break into vast numbers of home computers and use them to send their spam. They're not paying for CPU time or other resources, so they won't

Re: [camram-spam] Re: Microsoft publicly announces Penny Black PoW postage project

2003-12-31 Thread jal
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: At 07:46 PM 12/30/2003 +, Richard Clayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [what about mailing lists] Obviously you'd have to whitelist anybody's list you're joining if you don't want your spam filters to robo-discard it. moan I never understand why

Re: why penny black etc. are not very useful

2003-12-31 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 11:12 AM + 12/31/03, Ben Laurie wrote: Perry E. Metzger wrote: In my opinion, the various hashcash-to-stop-spam style schemes are not very useful, because spammers now routinely use automation to break into vast numbers of home computers and use them to send their spam. They're not paying

Re: why penny black etc. are not very useful

2003-12-31 Thread Victor . Duchovni
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote: Legitimate stamp generation would have to be distinguished, perhaps by code signing or some Touring test. A sufficiently clever virus writer with root access might be able commandeer the legitimate stamp generator. If this happens, periodic

Re: [camram-spam] Re: Microsoft publicly announces Penny Black PoW postage project

2003-12-31 Thread Ben Laurie
Richard Clayton wrote: and in these schemes, where does our esteemed moderator get _his_ stamps from ? remember that not all bulk email is spam by any means... or do we end up with whitelists all over the place and the focus of attacks moves to the ingress to the mailing lists :( He uses the