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From: Jonathan Thornburg jth...@astro.indiana.edu
To: Brian Gladman b...@gladman.plus.com
Cc: John Gilmore g...@toad.com; Peter Gutmann
pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz; cryptography@metzdowd.com;
s...@cs.columbia.edu
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:53 AM
Subject: Re:
On Feb 2, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote:
Mark Ryan presented a plausible use case that is not DRM:
http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/~mdr/research/projects/08-tpmFunc/.
This use is like the joke about the dancing bear, the amazing thing
isn't the
quality of the dancing but the fact that the
I was reading a CPS from GeoTrust -- 91 pages of legalese! -- and came
across the following statement:
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, GeoTrust's
root public keys and the root Certificates containing them,
including all self-signed certificates, are the
Interesting article from the BBC on the state of play in cyber
attack and defense. Not much depth - I'm sure you weren't expecting
it, given the source - but worth looking at.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7851292.stm
-- Jerry
Does anyone know what the Morris Code is inside
Peachinc's mobile ticketing appliance/kiosk is?
Reference URL (video advert) at
http://www.peachinc.com/moviePage.htm
UK patent, but for the reading mechanism only, at
Britain's House of Lords Constitution Committee released a report
Friday saying that the country's use of widespread video surveillance
and personal data collection pose a threat to citizens' privacy and
freedom. The committee said that while such surveillance and data
collection could serve
Peter Gutmann wrote:
Ben Laurie b...@links.org writes:
Apart from the obvious fact that if the TPM is good for DRM then it is also
good for protecting servers and the data on them,
In which way, and for what sorts of protection? And I mean that as a
serious inquiry, not just a Did you
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 04:54:48PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Under what legal theory might a certificate -- or a key! -- be
considered property? There wouldn't seem to be enough creativity in
a certificate, let alone a key, to qualify for copyright protection.
Private and secret keys
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Ben Laurie wrote:
If I have data on my server that I would like to stay on my server
and not get leaked to some third party, then this is exactly the
same situation as DRMed content on an end user's machine, is it not?
The treat model is completely different: for DRM the
s...@acw.com writes:
It seems to me that a cryptographic key is property in the same sense that
the formula for Coca Cola is property.
We're discussing certificates, not secret keys.
In theory, a secret key might be a trade secret.
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
1)
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
I was reading a CPS from GeoTrust -- 91 pages of legalese! -- and came
across the following statement:
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, GeoTrust's
root public keys and the root Certificates containing them,
including all
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
If anybody can alter, revoke or reissue a certificate then I agree it is
common property to which attaches no meaningful notion of property rights.
If on the other hand only certain people can alter, revoke or reissue a
certificate then it
s...@acw.com writes:
However, a cert seems almost certainly *not* to be IP.
If anybody can alter, revoke or reissue a certificate then I agree it is
common property to which attaches no meaningful notion of property rights.
If on the other hand only certain people can alter, revoke or
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com wrote:
s...@acw.com writes:
...
There are four kinds of intellectual property. Is it a trade secret?
No. Is it a trademark or something allied like trade dress? No. Is it
patentable? No. Is it copyrightable? No.
So,
Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com wrote:
s...@acw.com writes:
...
There are four kinds of intellectual property. Is it a trade secret?
No. Is it a trademark or something allied like trade dress? No. Is it
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:49:37AM -0700, s...@acw.com wrote:
If anybody can alter, revoke or reissue a certificate then I agree it is
common property to which attaches no meaningful notion of property rights.
If on the other hand only certain people can alter, revoke or reissue a
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