Re: Security of Mac Keychain, File Vault

2009-10-26 Thread Steven Bellovin


On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Leichter wrote:

The article at http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=1322  
claims that both are easily broken.  I haven't been able to find any  
public analyses of Keychain, even though the software is open-source  
so it's relatively easy to check.  I ran across an analysis of File  
Vault not long ago which pointed out some fairly minor nits, but  
basically claimed it did what it set out to do.


The article makes a bunch of other claims which aren't obviously  
unreasonable.


Anyone one know of more recent analysis of Mac encryption stuff?   
(OS bugs/security holes are a whole other story)


The article specifically mentions Mac Marshall for attacking  
FileVault, but from the descriptions of it I can find it's just doing  
password guessing.



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Re: Security of Mac Keychain, File Vault

2009-10-26 Thread Greg Thompson

On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Leichter wrote:

The article at http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=1322  
claims that both are easily broken.  I haven't been able to find any  
public analyses of Keychain, even though the software is open-source  
so it's relatively easy to check.  I ran across an analysis of File  
Vault not long ago which pointed out some fairly minor nits, but  
basically claimed it did what it set out to do.


The white paper for Mac Marshal (http://macmarshal.atc-nycorp.com/mac/MacMarshal_WhitePaper_102.pdf 
) leads me to believe that the so-called vulnerability in File Vault  
is that the encryption is based on the user's chosen login password:


So, FileVault is not as secure as simple 128-bit AES. Any means of  
obtaining the user’s login password or the FileVault Master recovery  
keychain will allow access to the FileVault image.


Does this surprise anyone?

-Greg
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Re: Security of Mac Keychain, File Vault

2009-10-26 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Jerry Leichter wrote:
 The article at http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=1322 claims
 that both are easily broken.  I haven't been able to find any public
 analyses of Keychain, even though the software is open-source so it's
 relatively easy to check.  I ran across an analysis of File Vault not
 long ago which pointed out some fairly minor nits, but basically claimed
 it did what it set out to do.
 
 The article makes a bunch of other claims which aren't obviously
 unreasonable.
 
 Anyone one know of more recent analysis of Mac encryption stuff?  (OS
 bugs/security holes are a whole other story)

The last page of the article has references and this:

MacMarshal. The best Mac tool I ve seen so far, it is right now the number 1
Mac tool. MacMarshall can parse user account information , Address Book,
Safari, iChat, and can even crack File Vault. This is free to Law Enforcement.

But on another page we find:

http://www.macosxforensics.com/Analysis/CrackingFileVault/CrackingFileVault.html

Cracking FileVault is a bit of a misnomer. As of this writing, here is not a
known flaw in the 128 bit AES encryption that is being used. When attempting
to open a FileVault encrypted Home directory, there are two methods which can
be used:

Brute Force
Brute Force with a dictionary attack

[...]

Much faster utilities such as crowbarDMG and Mac Marshal are now available
which will give you speeds Spartan will never attain in its current form.

So, this seems to be all about dictionary attacks.

More troublesome is the claim by the forensic expert that the best tool to
analyze a mac filesystem is a mac, which he just proclaimed as insecure.  This
calls for a disaster: A trojan that targets forensic examiners...



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Re: US crypto/munitions again?

2009-10-26 Thread Richard Salz
 http://www.ddj.com/linux-open-source/220800130

Status quo.

/r$

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