Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- From: Werner Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to clarify the trust model. The OpenPGP standard does not define any trust model at all. The standard merely defines fatures useful to implement a trust model. Clarifying the trust model sounds suspiciously like designers

Re: Looking for fast KASUMI implementation

2005-12-16 Thread Jack Lloyd
Define fast - KASUMI is based heavily on MISTY1. In fact, during a fast scan of the KASUMI spec, I couldn't see anywhere obvious where it different from MISTY1 at all. As far as I know, I'm the only person who has even tried writing fast code for MISTY1, and the result is quite dog-slow compared

Re: How security could benefit from high volume spam

2005-12-16 Thread Joe Cooley
Maybe in near future the advantages of that noise produced by millions of bots will outweigh the disadvantages? Comments are welcome. The noise must be made by us, the people, and directed towards leaders and industry. Technology solutions will not fix the fundamental problems. Joe

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-16 Thread Ben Laurie
David Mercer wrote: And my appologies to Ben Laurie and friends, but why after all these years is the UI interaction in ssh almost exactly the same when accepting a key for the first time as overriding using a different one when it changed on the other end, whether from mitm or just a

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-16 Thread David Mercer
On 12/15/05, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Mercer wrote: Thanks for the apology, but ... ssh is not my fault. Sorry, crosswired openssl and openssh in my brain! I will agree that something better than just showing you the key would be cool. Like maybe it could be signed by

Re: crypto for the average programmer

2005-12-16 Thread Ben Laurie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | My question is, what is the layperson supposed to do, if they must use | | crypto and can't use an off-the-shelf product? | | | | When would that be the case? | | | | The only defensible situations I can think of in which a | | non-crypto-specialist

Re: X.509 / PKI, PGP, and IBE Secure Email Technologies

2005-12-16 Thread Ed Gerck
James A. Donald wrote: -- From: Werner Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to clarify the trust model. The OpenPGP standard does not define any trust model at all. The standard merely defines fatures useful to implement a trust model. Clarifying the trust model sounds

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- From: Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] if the key changes in OpenSSH you can't connect until you take positive action by deleting the old key from the known_hosts file. This is totally different to accepting a new key. I will agree that something better than just