Re: how to properly secure non-ssl logins (php + ajax)

2009-02-20 Thread Peter Gutmann
Rene Veerman rene7...@gmail.com writes: Recently, on both the jQuery(.com) and PHP mailinglists, a question has arisen on how to properly secure a login form for a non-ssl web-application. But the replies have been get ssl.. :( I disagree, and think that with a proper layout of authentication

Re: Crypto Craft Knowledge

2009-02-20 Thread David Molnar
Stephan Neuhaus wrote: Yes, there's a need for a crypto practices FAQ to which one can refer. I disagree because you cannot force developers to read (and understand) these FAQs. Instead, there is a need for APIs that are difficult to use in an insecure way. For example, Peter Gutmann's

Re: how to properly secure non-ssl logins (php + ajax)

2009-02-20 Thread Alexander Klimov
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Rene Veerman wrote: Recently, on both the jQuery(.com) and PHP mailinglists, a question has arisen on how to properly secure a login form for a non-ssl web-application. But the replies have been get ssl.. :( Unfortunately, they are right: get SSL. If you have a

Re: Crypto Craft Knowledge

2009-02-20 Thread Ben Laurie
Stephan Neuhaus wrote: Many mistakes in crypto coding come from the fact that API developers have so far very successfully shifted the burden of secure usage to the application developer, the API user. But I believe this hasn't worked and needs to be changed. I totally agree, and this is the

Re: Crypto Craft Knowledge

2009-02-20 Thread James Hughes
On Feb 14, 2009, at 12:54 PM, David Molnar wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: [snip discussion of bad crypto implementation practices] Because he is steeped in the craft knowledge around crypto. But most developers aren't. Most developers don't even have the right mindset for secure coding, let alone

Shamir secret sharing and information theoretic security

2009-02-20 Thread R.A. Hettinga
Begin forwarded message: From: Sarad AV jtrjtrjtr2...@yahoo.com Date: February 17, 2009 9:51:09 AM EST To: cypherpu...@al-qaeda.net Subject: Shamir secret sharing and information theoretic security hi, I was going through the wikipedia example of shamir secret sharing which says it is

Re: how to properly secure non-ssl logins (php + ajax)

2009-02-20 Thread Erwan Legrand
Hi, Recently, on both the jQuery(.com) and PHP mailinglists, a question has arisen on how to properly secure a login form for a non-ssl web-application. But the replies have been get ssl.. :( What makes you think these are ill-advised? I disagree, and think that with a proper layout of

Re: how to properly secure non-ssl logins (php + ajax)

2009-02-20 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Feb 15, 2009, at 7:30 AM, Rene Veerman wrote: Recently, on both the jQuery(.com) and PHP mailinglists, a question has arisen on how to properly secure a login form for a non-ssl web- application. What's the threat model? users[user_id].user_login_hash = onewayHash(user_login_name +

fyi: Researchers Hack Biometric Faces

2009-02-20 Thread ' =JeffH '
apropos to the biometrics essay in the Jan 2009 crypto-gram: Researchers Hack Biometric Faces slashdot.org/palm/18/09/02/17/216216_1.shtml from the face-off dept. posted by kdawson on 2009-02-18 01:35:00 yahoi sends in news from a week or so back: Vietnamese researchers have cracked the

The password-reset paradox

2009-02-20 Thread Peter Gutmann
There are a variety of password cost-estimation surveys floating around that put the cost of password resets at $100-200 per user per year, depending on which survey you use (Gartner says so, it must be true). You can get OTP tokens as little as $5. Barely anyone uses them. Can anyone explain

stripping https from pages

2009-02-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/19/ssl_busting_demo/ -- we've talked about this attack for quite a while; someone has now implemented it. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb - The Cryptography

Re: Shamir secret sharing and information theoretic security

2009-02-20 Thread Jonathan Katz
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, R.A. Hettinga wrote: hi, I was going through the wikipedia example of shamir secret sharing which says it is information theoretically secure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_Secret_Sharing ... The scheme is defined over a finite field *not* over the

Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-20 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Feb 19, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: There are a variety of password cost-estimation surveys floating around that put the cost of password resets at $100-200 per user per year, depending on which survey you use (Gartner says so, it must be true). You can get OTP tokens as

Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-20 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:36:17 +1300 pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) wrote: There are a variety of password cost-estimation surveys floating around that put the cost of password resets at $100-200 per user per year, depending on which survey you use (Gartner says so, it must be true).

Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-20 Thread James Chacon
On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:36 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: There are a variety of password cost-estimation surveys floating around that put the cost of password resets at $100-200 per user per year, depending on which survey you use (Gartner says so, it must be true). You can get OTP tokens as