Re: /dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-03 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 10:38 PM +0300 8/2/10, Yaron Sheffer wrote: the interesting thread on seeding and reseeding /dev/random did not mention that many of the most problematic systems in this respect are virtual machines. Such machines (when used for cloud computing) are not only servers, so have few sources of

Re: /dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010, Yaron Sheffer wrote: the interesting thread on seeding and reseeding /dev/random did not mention that many of the most problematic systems in this respect are virtual machines. Such machines (when used for cloud Any decent hypervisor can supply entropy to the VMs. For

Re: /dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Yaron Sheffer wrote: In addition to the mitigations that were discussed on the list, such machines could benefit from seeding /dev/random (or periodically reseeding it) from the *host machine's* RNG. This is one thing that's guaranteed to be different between VM instances.

Re: /dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-03 Thread Thomas
Hi, we are using haveged in our VMs to feed the random pool and it seems to work good (means: statistical verification of the output looks good, nearly 0 entropy overestimation, but we never correlated output from cloned VMs). I assume feeding the VMs from the host system can be problematic

Re: /dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:17:42 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote: Desktops with live-CDs and half-assed embedded boxes that lack a TRNG are the real problem. I'm not sure what to do about the live CD problem, but in a previous iteration of this discussion a couple of years

Re: /dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Aug 2010, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Yaron Sheffer wrote: In addition to the mitigations that were discussed on the list, such machines could benefit from seeding /dev/random (or periodically reseeding it) from the *host machine's* RNG. This is one thing that's

/dev/random and virtual systems

2010-08-02 Thread Yaron Sheffer
Hi, the interesting thread on seeding and reseeding /dev/random did not mention that many of the most problematic systems in this respect are virtual machines. Such machines (when used for cloud computing) are not only servers, so have few sources of true and hard-to-observe entropy. Often