Re: [Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-11 Thread James A. Donald
On 08/09/2013 21:51, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago, see: > > http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2013-August/016872.html In short, https to a server that you /do/ trust. Problem is, joe average is not going to set up his own server. Making setting

Re: [Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-10 Thread Walter van Holst
On 08/09/2013 21:51, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 14:50:07 -0400 Jerry Leichter > wrote: >> Even for one-to-one discussions, these days, people want >> transparent movement across their hardware. If I'm in a chat >> session on my laptop and leave the house, I'd like to be able to

Re: [Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-10 Thread Max Kington
On 10 Sep 2013, at 17:07, Walter van Holst wrote: > On 08/09/2013 21:51, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 14:50:07 -0400 Jerry Leichter >> wrote: >>> Even for one-to-one discussions, these days, people want >>> transparent movement across their hardware. If I'm in a chat >>> sessio

Re: [Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-09 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, james hughes wrote: >>> In summary, it would appear that the most viable solution is to make >> I don't see how it's possible to make any real progress within the existing >> cloud model, so I'm with you 100% here. (I've said the same earlier.) > Could cloud computing

Re: [Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/8/13 1:51 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 14:50:07 -0400 Jerry Leichter > wrote: >> Even for one-to-one discussions, these days, people want >> transparent movement across their hardware. If I'm in a chat >> session on my lapt

Re: [Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-08 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > >> Even for one-to-one discussions, these days, people want >> transparent movement across their hardware. If I'm in a chat >> session on my laptop and leave the house, I'd like to be able to >> continue on my phone. How do I hand off the con

[Cryptography] Usage models (was Re: In the face of "cooperative" end-points, PFS doesn't help)

2013-09-08 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 14:50:07 -0400 Jerry Leichter wrote: > Even for one-to-one discussions, these days, people want > transparent movement across their hardware. If I'm in a chat > session on my laptop and leave the house, I'd like to be able to > continue on my phone. How do I hand off the conve