Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-27 Thread Florian Weimer
* Adam Fields: > I find it hard to believe that even the most uninformed dissidents > would be using an untested, unaudited, _beta_, __foreign__ new service > for anything. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty such tools in circulation which are us

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-16 Thread Jens Kubieziel
* Adam Fields schrieb am 2010-09-15 um 20:48 Uhr: > I find it hard to believe that even the most uninformed dissidents > would be using an untested, unaudited, _beta_, __foreign__ new service > for anything. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? My first guess According to my experience the qu

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-16 Thread Jim Youll
On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Adam Fields wrote: > I find it hard to believe that even the most uninformed dissidents > would be using an untested, unaudited, _beta_, __foreign__ new service > for anything. Is there any reason to believe otherwise? My first guess > would have been that it was a g

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-16 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 09/15/2010 11:48 AM, Adam Fields wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:16:34AM -0700, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > [...] >> What Steve has written is mostly true - though I was not working alone, >> we did it in an afternoon. It took quite a bit of effort to get Haystack >> to take this seriously. Eve

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-15 Thread Adam Fields
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 03:16:34AM -0700, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: [...] > What Steve has written is mostly true - though I was not working alone, > we did it in an afternoon. It took quite a bit of effort to get Haystack > to take this seriously. Eventually, there was an internal mutiny because > of

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-15 Thread Jim Youll
On Sep 15, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > An interesting unintended consequence of the original media storm is > that no one in the media enjoys being played; it seems that now most of > the original players are lining up to ask hard questions. It may be too > little and too late, fran

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-15 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 09/14/2010 09:57 AM, Steve Weis wrote: > There have been significant developments around Haystack since the > last message on this thread. Jacob Applebaum obtained a copy and found > serious vulnerabilities that could put its users at risk. He convinced > Haystack to immediately suspend operatio

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-14 Thread Alec Muffett
Obliged, Steve. My & Simon Phipps' write-up is at ComputerWeekly: http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2010/09/burning-haystack/index.htm - a On 14 Sep 2010, at 17:57, Steve Weis wrote: > There have been significant developments around Haystack since the > last messag

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-14 Thread Steve Weis
There have been significant developments around Haystack since the last message on this thread. Jacob Applebaum obtained a copy and found serious vulnerabilities that could put its users at risk. He convinced Haystack to immediately suspend operations. The developer of Haystack, Daniel Colascione,

Re: Haystack redux

2010-09-03 Thread Alec Muffett
Flamewar seems to have broken out: http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/09/02/hay_what I've had issues[1] with some of Morozov's previous writing[2] but if EM is reporting accurately how Haystack is deployed - let alone used - then even laying aside Kerckhoffs' principle / the

Haystack redux

2010-08-24 Thread Katrin Verclas
From another list. Begin forwarded message: From: Austin Heap Date: August 23, 2010 8:27:43 PM EDT To: liberationt...@lists.stanford.edu Subject: [liberationtech] Haystack Q&A Hi All, I understand some of you have concerns/comments regarding our project. It would be great if a list could be