Re: That's gratitude for ya...

2005-02-17 Thread Peter Gutmann
Rich Salz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Why would mozilla embed this?  If they came here, to the putative experts,
>for an evaluation, they'd leave thinking Amir and company just invented
>Rot-13.  It's not that.  It's also not perfect.  BFD -- you got anything
>better?

This ties in to one of my favourite articles on security usability, "Good-
Enough Security: Toward a Pragmatic Business-Driven Discipline", Ravi Sandhu,
IEEE Internet Computing, Vol.5, No.3 (January/February 2003), p.66, or
http://www.list.gmu.edu/journals/ic/03-sandhu-good.pdf if you don't get the
print version.  This contains observations like:

  How many security engineers would it take to design a system for ATM
  security today? I don't think it could be done. We would be debating
  biometric-enabled smartcards, assurance, protection profiles, denial of
  service, non-repudiation, viruses and buffer-overflow attacks till we were
  blue in the face. There is no way that such a system with "good enough"
  security could be designed and built today on the basis of conventional
  security wisdom. Yet it happened. And it works.

The author offers three design principles for good-enough security:

  1. Good enough is good enough.
  2. Good enough always beats perfect.
  3. The really hard part is determining what is good enough.

I think Trustbar does a pretty good job of getting (3) right.

Peter.

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RE: That's gratitude for ya...

2005-02-17 Thread Marcel Popescu
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Salz

> The other day I sent Amir Herzberg a private note saying I thought his
> new tool was pretty neat, and though I'm sure he's heard it a lot,
> thanks.  He said nope, nobody else has said it, and I was stunned.

My apologies. I've been using Amir's tool since he posted the link, but I
haven't thought of sending a "thank you" note :(

Amir, I also think it's neat. :)

Marcel


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