Re: [Cryptography] Washington Post: Google racing to encrypt links between data centers

2013-09-07 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 07:53:42PM -0400, Marcus D. Leech wrote:

 One wonders why they weren't already using link encryption systems?

One wonders whether, if what we read around here lately is much guide,
they still believe they can get link encryption systems that are
robust against the only adversary likely to be attacking their North
American links?

Thor
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Re: [Cryptography] Washington Post: Google racing to encrypt links between data centers

2013-09-07 Thread Tony Arcieri
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote:

 One wonders why they weren't already using link encryption systems?


Probably line rate and the cost of encrypting every single fiber link.
There are few vendors who sell line rate encryption for 10Gbps+

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Re: [Cryptography] Washington Post: Google racing to encrypt links between data centers

2013-09-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 01:53:13PM -0700, Tony Arcieri wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Marcus D. Leech mle...@ripnet.com wrote:
 
  One wonders why they weren't already using link encryption systems?
 
 
 Probably line rate and the cost of encrypting every single fiber link.
 There are few vendors who sell line rate encryption for 10Gbps+

Nanog and denog had a discussion about this, and in general nobody
believes the products you can buy, especially the export version, 
have no backdoor.

Doing it in software is only feasible at network edge, not core.
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Re: [Cryptography] Washington Post: Google racing to encrypt links between data centers

2013-09-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 04:41:04PM -0400, Richard Outerbridge wrote:

 Surely not Canada? After all, we're one of the five eyes! ;)

Six. Sweden (FRA) is part of it. http://www.heise.de/tp/blogs/8/154917
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Re: [Cryptography] Washington Post: Google racing to encrypt links between data centers

2013-09-06 Thread Lodewijk andré de la porte
Right.

Maybe some AES32?


2013/9/7 Perry E. Metzger pe...@piermont.com

 Quoting:

Google is racing to encrypt the torrents of information that flow
among its data centers around the world, in a bid to thwart
snooping by the NSA as well as the intelligence agencies of foreign
governments, company officials said on Friday.

The move by Google is among the most concrete signs yet that recent
revelations about the National Security Agency’s sweeping
surveillance efforts have provoked significant backlash within an
American technology industry that U.S. government officials long
courted as a potential partner in spying programs.


 http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-encrypts-data-amid-backlash-against-nsa-spying/2013/09/06/9acc3c20-1722-11e3-a2ec-b47e45e6f8ef_story.html

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