Re: Cross logins

2005-08-05 Thread James A. Donald
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James A. Donald
  Is it possible for two web sites to arrange for
  cross logins?

Steve Furlong
 Does this question have a practical end in mind? If
 so, can you simplify matters by running both web sites
 on the same host?

The situation envisaged is that A.com is known to B.com,
and trusted by them, but B.com is unknown to A.com.

The context is that I observe in existing internet
currencies a lot of remarkably clumsy procedures to
verify that X is the rightful account holder of account
Y.   Typically the web site that you are trying to
register with will make a microspend to your account,
and you then have to demonstrate knowledge of that
microspend

It is apparent that tools to facilitate transactions
need to be integrated with nym management software and
reputation management software.

This was discussed long ago, back in the days of the
extropian list, even before the cypherpunks lis, but
though a decade has passed, such an integrated tool set
does not yet exist. 

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Re: Cross logins

2005-08-04 Thread Victor Duchovni
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 03:15:00PM -0700, James A. Donald wrote:

 --
 Is it possible for two web sites to arrange for cross 
 logins?
 
 The goal is that if someone is logged into website 
 https://A.com as user127, and then browses to 
 https://B.com/A_com_registrants, he will be 
 automatically logged in on b.com as [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

This requires B to trust A, and trust requires a shared key or
equivalently a trusted introducer. Given a shared key, A is able to sign
(shared secret HMAC, public/private keys or signed Kerberos message)
assertions about the user for B's consumption. The signature can be
in a referral URL.


http://A.com/federated_login.cgi?d=B.comuser=user127expiration=epochtimesignature=base64dataurl=...

Absent a valid cookie for a B session, B redirects the user to A's
federated login generator page (passing B's name and the url the user
wanted), and A redirects the user back to B's federated login verification
page passing back the authentication data and the original url, so the user
is taken to the right place after the credentials are verified.

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Re: Cross logins

2005-08-04 Thread Rich Salz
 Is it possible for two web sites to arrange for cross
 logins?

Check out SAML, esp the browser artifact profile.

/r$

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Re: Cross logins

2005-08-04 Thread Steve Furlong
On 8/3/05, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--
 Is it possible for two web sites to arrange for cross
 logins?

snippety-do-dah

Does this question have a practical end in mind? If so, can you
simplify matters by running both web sites on the same host?


(cc-ing JAD because I never see any responses to messages sent from my
GMail acct. I don't know if the GMail traffic is making it to the
list.)

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Re: Cross logins

2005-08-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* James A. Donald:

 Is it possible for two web sites to arrange for cross 
 logins?

SXIP is a relatively open effort in that direction.  The rootsite
seems to be proprietary, though.


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Re: Cross logins

2005-08-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre

Rich Salz wrote:

Is it possible for two web sites to arrange for cross
logins?



Check out SAML, esp the browser artifact profile.


Check out Passel, which lacks the complexity of SAML:

http://www.passel.org/

Peter



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