RE: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-11 Thread Jason Resch
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: [dropping tahoe-dev from Cc:] On Thursday,2009-08-06, at 2:52 , Ben Laurie wrote: Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: I don't think there is any basis to the claims that Cleversafe makes that their erasure-coding (Information Dispersal)-based system is

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-09 Thread james hughes
On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: I don't think there is any basis to the claims that Cleversafe makes that their erasure-coding (Information Dispersal)-based system is fundamentally safer, e.g. these claims from [3]: a malicious party cannot recreate

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-09 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
[dropping tahoe-dev from Cc:] On Thursday,2009-08-06, at 2:52 , Ben Laurie wrote: Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: I don't think there is any basis to the claims that Cleversafe makes that their erasure-coding (Information Dispersal)-based system is fundamentally safer ... Surely this is

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-09 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
[dropped tahoe-dev from Cc:] On Thursday,2009-08-06, at 17:08 , james hughes wrote: Until you reach the threshold, you do not have the information to attack. It becomes information theoretic secure. This is true for information-theoretically secure secret sharing, but not true for

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-09 Thread Jerry Leichter
3. Cleversafe should really tone down the Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about today's encryption being mincemeat for tomorrow's cryptanalysts. It might turn out to be true, but if so it will be due to cryptanalytic innovations more than due to Moore's Law. And it might not turn out like

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-06 Thread Ben Laurie
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: I don't think there is any basis to the claims that Cleversafe makes that their erasure-coding (Information Dispersal)-based system is fundamentally safer, e.g. these claims from [3]: a malicious party cannot recreate data from a slice, or two, or three, no matter

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-08-05 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
[cross-posted to tahoe-...@allmydata.org and cryptogra...@metzdowd.com] Folks: It doesn't look like I'm going to get time to write a long post about this bundle of issues, comparing Cleversafe with Tahoe-LAFS (both use erasure coding and encryption, and the encryption and key-management

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-07-31 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
Folks: Over on the Tahoe-LAFS mailing list Brian Warner gave a typically thoughtful, thorough, and precise analysis of cleversafe access control as contrasted with Tahoe-LAFS access control. Brian attempted to cross-post it to this list, but it bounced since he is not a subscriber.

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-07-26 Thread james hughes
On Jul 24, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: [cross-posted to tahoe-...@allmydata.org and cryptogra...@metzdowd.com] Disclosure: Cleversafe is to some degree a competitor of my Tahoe- LAFS project. ... I am tempted to ignore this idea that they are pushing about encryption

Re: cleversafe says: 3 Reasons Why Encryption is Overrated

2009-07-26 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Jul 26, 2009, at 12:11 AM, james hughes wrote: On Jul 24, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: [cross-posted to tahoe-...@allmydata.org and cryptography@metzdowd.com ] Disclosure: Cleversafe is to some degree a competitor of my Tahoe- LAFS project. ... I am tempted to ignore