Re: [Cryptography] A lot to learn from Business Records FISA NSA Review

2013-09-19 Thread Ray Dillinger
On 09/16/2013 07:58 AM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Well, we do know they created things like the (not very usable) seLinux MAC (Multilevel Access Control) system, so clearly they do some hacking on security infrastructure. SeLinux seems to be targeted mostly at organizational security, whereas

Re: [Cryptography] A lot to learn from Business Records FISA NSA Review

2013-09-16 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 20:37:07 -0700 John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: [A very interesting message, and I'm going to reply to just one tiny detail in it...] We in the outside world *invented* all of NSA's infrastructure. They buy it from us, and are just users like most computer users. (Yes,