Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2008-01-21 Thread dan
Well, for all of you who want to prove that hacking the vote is easy, here's your chance to do something: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080121/D8UA8VGG0.html [ ObDebate: is a winner-take-all state more or less attractive to vote hacking? ] --dan

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-30 Thread Bill Stewart
Dan wrote: Let's not do this or we'll have to talk about JF Kennedy who, at least, bought his votes with real money. That's because Democrats had become more professional, and the tradition of buying votes with whiskey only works for the retail level, not wholesale. Dan also wrote: May I

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-29 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Jack Lloyd wrote: The only reason this 'must' be true is because an anonymous and secure payment system is a terror which thankfully our federal governments and central banks protect us from. While Amazon and others obviously like being able to build customer profiles of everyone, I don't

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-28 Thread Adam Shostack
On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 04:34:55PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Quoting my friend Marcus Ranum, the Internet | will remain as insecure as it can and still | apparently function. Why should voting be | different? Voting is different (by which I mean worse) because the requirements are hard.

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread John Denker
On 12/23/2007 08:24 PM, ' =JeffH ' wrote: 2008: The year of hack the vote? Shouldn't that be: 2008: Another year of hack the vote yet again? ..^^^...^ There is every reason to believe that the 2000 presidential election was stolen. A fair/honest/lawful

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread dan
May I point out that if voting systems have a level of flaw that says only an idiot would use them, then how can you explain electronic commerce, FaceBook, or gambling sites? More people use just those three than will *ever* vote. --dan

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread dan
John Denker writes: | | There is every reason to believe that the 2000 presidential | election was stolen. A fair/honest/lawful election would | have made Al Gore the 43rd president. | Let's not do this or we'll have to talk about JF Kennedy who, at least, bought his votes with real

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread Ed Gerck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I point out that if voting systems have a level of flaw that says only an idiot would use them, then how can you explain electronic commerce, FaceBook, or gambling sites? More people use just those three than will *ever* vote. The answer is NO, and that is so

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread Arshad Noor
The usual excuse, Dan: ignorance. Those of us who know how companies maintain the security of their systems minimize the use of, or eschew, such sites. We also always ask for an Absentee (paper) ballot in places where electronic voting is the only choice at the polling booth. Arshad Noor

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread Kevin Kretz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More people use just those three than will *ever* vote. More people under 40, certainly. But in '04 there were 36 million people over 65, most of whom are eligible to vote. You know a lot of 70-year old e-gamblers or FaceBook members?

Re: 2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-26 Thread dan
Kevin Kretz writes: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | More people use just those three | than will *ever* vote. | More people under 40, certainly. But in '04 there were 36 million | people over 65, most of whom are eligible to vote. You know a lot of | 70-year old e-gamblers or FaceBook

2008: The year of hack the vote?

2007-12-24 Thread ' =JeffH '
2008: The year of hack the vote? http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=753 December 17th, 2007 Posted by Larry Dignan @ 2:12 am The state of Ohio has released a comprehensive study of voting machine security and the report will have you longing for paper. A 334-page PDF report