Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-24 Thread dan
Chris Palmer writes: -+-- | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | > You know, as a security person, I say all the time that the greatest | > threat is internal threat, not external threat. In my day job, I/we | > make surveillance tools to prevent data threat from materializing, and

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-23 Thread Chris Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You know, as a security person, I say all the time that the greatest > threat is internal threat, not external threat. In my day job, I/we > make surveillance tools to prevent data threat from materializing, and > to quench it if it does anyhow. I tell clients all day

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-23 Thread Daniel F. Fisher
David G. Koontz wrote: Yet President Bush as publicly stated it requires a court order to wiretap: "Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Not

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-23 Thread dan
You know, as a security person, I say all the time that the greatest threat is internal threat, not external threat. In my day job, I/we make surveillance tools to prevent data threat from materializing, and to quench it if it does anyhow. I tell clients all day every day that when the opponent

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-22 Thread Ian Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton's Asst. A.G. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0512210142dec21,0,3553632.story? coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed Dog bites man: Asst. A.G. claims executive branch has extremely broad "wartime" powers to surveil Americans (with some contradictory

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-22 Thread David G. Koontz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clinton's Asst. A.G. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0512210142dec21,0,3553632.story? coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed Dick Morris http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm --dan Yet President Bush as publicly stated it requires a court order to wireta

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-22 Thread dan
Clinton's Asst. A.G. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0512210142dec21,0,3553632.story? coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed Dick Morris http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm --dan - The Cryptography Mailing List

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-21 Thread Adam Fields
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 07:55:57PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: [...] > The Court also noted that "Congress rejected an amendment which would > have authorized such governmental seizures in cases of emergency." > Given that the Patriot Act did amend various aspects of the wiretap > statute, it'

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Perry E. Metzger" writes: >I have been unable to find any evidence in the text of said >resolutions that they in any way altered or amended the law on this, >even temporarily. Perhaps it is the argument of the President's >lawyers that something analogous to a stat

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-18 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Bill Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 10:58 AM 12/18/2005, Perry E. Metzger wrote: >>The President claims he has the prerogative to order such >>surveillance. The law unambiguously disagrees with him. >> >>There are minor exceptions in the law, but they clearly do not apply >>in this case.

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:58 AM 12/18/2005, Perry E. Metzger wrote: The President claims he has the prerogative to order such surveillance. The law unambiguously disagrees with him. There are minor exceptions in the law, but they clearly do not apply in this case. They cover only the 15 days after a declaration of

Re: A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-18 Thread Perry E. Metzger
"Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A small editorial from your moderator. I rarely use this list to > express a strong political opinion -- you will forgive me in this > instance. A couple of people have written to ask if they can forward on this message elsewhere. Yes, I am happy w

A small editorial about recent events.

2005-12-18 Thread Perry E. Metzger
A small editorial from your moderator. I rarely use this list to express a strong political opinion -- you will forgive me in this instance. This mailing list is putatively about cryptography and cryptography politics, though we do tend to stray quite a bit into security issues of all sorts, and