Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: My two most recent logins were with First National Bank of Omaha and Your IBM Savings plan Is firstnational.com the same entity as First National Bank of Omaha? Is https://lb22.resources.hewitt.com; the same entity as Your IBM Savings plan From: Ben

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-19 Thread Travis H.
On 12/18/05, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would happen at least as much as it happens with https, and it happens enough with https that false negatives enormously outweigh true negatives. True, but I don't see false negatives very often with https at all. And I visit far more

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-18 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald Let us imagine that SSH had certified keys. Well, certifying a key is bound to be complicated, and things are bound to go wrong, and the name that you bind it to is bound to be somewhat shifty. Ben Laurie I don't see why that would happen all that much, It

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-18 Thread Ben Laurie
James A. Donald wrote: -- James A. Donald Let us imagine that SSH had certified keys. Well, certifying a key is bound to be complicated, and things are bound to go wrong, and the name that you bind it to is bound to be somewhat shifty. Ben Laurie I don't see why that would happen

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-17 Thread Damien Miller
David Mercer wrote: And my appologies to Ben Laurie and friends, but why after all these years is the UI interaction in ssh almost exactly the same when accepting a key for the first time as overriding using a different one when it changed on the other end, whether from mitm or just a

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-17 Thread Ben Laurie
James A. Donald wrote: -- From: Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] if the key changes in OpenSSH you can't connect until you take positive action by deleting the old key from the known_hosts file. This is totally different to accepting a new key. I will agree that something

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-16 Thread Ben Laurie
David Mercer wrote: And my appologies to Ben Laurie and friends, but why after all these years is the UI interaction in ssh almost exactly the same when accepting a key for the first time as overriding using a different one when it changed on the other end, whether from mitm or just a

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-16 Thread David Mercer
On 12/15/05, Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Mercer wrote: Thanks for the apology, but ... ssh is not my fault. Sorry, crosswired openssl and openssh in my brain! I will agree that something better than just showing you the key would be cool. Like maybe it could be signed by

Re: Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- From: Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] if the key changes in OpenSSH you can't connect until you take positive action by deleting the old key from the known_hosts file. This is totally different to accepting a new key. I will agree that something better than just

Crypto and UI issues

2005-12-13 Thread David Mercer
(Hopefully this is sent as ascii, as I had previously set my gmail to send in utf-8 encoding, as I often send email in french as well as english. -djm) On 12/11/05, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not my position that inability to sign means that the chairman of the board is