Re: Haystack (helping dissidents?)

2010-09-29 Thread Bill Stewart

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On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 04:49:19PM +, M.R. wrote:
| I said (something like) this when Haystack first appeared on this
| list...
|
| Words dissidents and oppressive regimes have no place in
| serious discussions among cryptographers. Once we start assigning
| ethical categorizations to those that protect and those that attack
| (data files, communications channels, etc.) we are watering the
| garden in which the weeds like Haystack flourish.


They do tell you what level of attack you're trying to block.
There's spammers trying to crack your system for money,
but then there's a national government that doesn't like you,
though I suppose it's possible that if you're not annoying
one of the top ten governments, you might get a larger attack by annoying 
4chan.


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Re: Haystack (helping dissidents?)

2010-09-28 Thread Adam Shostack
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 04:49:19PM +, M.R. wrote:
| I said (something like) this when Haystack first appeared on this
| list...
| 
| Words dissidents and oppressive regimes have no place in
| serious discussions among cryptographers. Once we start assigning
| ethical categorizations to those that protect and those that attack
| (data files, communications channels, etc.) we are watering the
| garden in which the weeds like Haystack flourish.

Declarations about the appropriateness of the language of others have
no place in serious discussions among cryptographers.  Once we start
assigning ethical categorizations to words, we are watering the garden
in which flamewars flourish.



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Re: Haystack (helping dissidents?)

2010-09-27 Thread M.R.

I said (something like) this when Haystack first appeared on this
list...

Words dissidents and oppressive regimes have no place in
serious discussions among cryptographers. Once we start assigning
ethical categorizations to those that protect and those that attack
(data files, communications channels, etc.) we are watering the
garden in which the weeds like Haystack flourish.

Marko R.

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