Re: I don't know PAIN...

2004-01-02 Thread John Kelsey
At 12:38 PM 12/29/03 -0500, Jerrold Leichter wrote: ... Merkle's knapsack systems (which didn't work out for other reasons) had the property that the public key was computed directly from the private key. (The private key had a special form, while the public key was supposed to look like a random i

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-29 Thread Jerrold Leichter
| On Dec 27, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: | >> "Note that there is no theoretical reason that it should be possible | >> to figure out the public key given the private key, either, but it so | >> happens that it is generally possible to do so" | >> So what's this "generally possible" busine

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-29 Thread Eric Rescorla
Jerrold Leichter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | > "Note that there is no theoretical reason that it should be > | > possible to figure out the public key given the private key, > | > either, but it so happens that it is generally possible to > | > do so" > | > > | > So what's this "generally poss

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-29 Thread Jerrold Leichter
| > "Note that there is no theoretical reason that it should be | > possible to figure out the public key given the private key, | > either, but it so happens that it is generally possible to | > do so" | > | > So what's this "generally possible" business about? | | Well, AFAIK its always possible,

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-29 Thread Matt Crawford
On Dec 27, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: "Note that there is no theoretical reason that it should be possible to figure out the public key given the private key, either, but it so happens that it is generally possible to do so" So what's this "generally possible" business about? Well, AFAI

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-28 Thread Ben Laurie
Raymond Lillard wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: Ian Grigg wrote: What is the source of the acronym PAIN? Lynn said: ... A security taxonomy, PAIN: * privacy (aka thinks like encryption) * authentication (origin) * integrity (contents) * non-repudiation I.e., its provenance? Google shows only a few h

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-23 Thread Raymond Lillard
Ben Laurie wrote: Ian Grigg wrote: What is the source of the acronym PAIN? Lynn said: ... A security taxonomy, PAIN: * privacy (aka thinks like encryption) * authentication (origin) * integrity (contents) * non-repudiation I.e., its provenance? Google shows only a few hits, indicating it is not wi

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-23 Thread Win Treese
Ian Grigg wrote: > What is the source of the acronym PAIN? For what it's worth, I was using PAIN in presentations for Open Market in 1995. As far as I can recall, I altered it from CAIN (which Greg Rose mentioned). I won't claim that anyone else picked it up from me (with a few exceptions that I

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-22 Thread Greg Rose
At 03:03 AM 12/21/2003, Ian Grigg wrote: What is the source of the acronym PAIN? I've seen, for many years, the acronym "CAIN", where the C is "Confidentiality". I think that was in the Orange Book. There's also, historically, an R for "Robustness" or "Reliability" in many military contexts, ins

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-22 Thread Ian Grigg
Ben Laurie wrote: > http://www.apache-ssl.org/tech-legal.pdf. Is this unpublished? You might consider submitting it to WEC: http://tab.computer.org/tfec/cec04/cfpWEC.html iang - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by se

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-22 Thread Ben Laurie
Ian Grigg wrote: What is the source of the acronym PAIN? Lynn said: ... A security taxonomy, PAIN: * privacy (aka thinks like encryption) * authentication (origin) * integrity (contents) * non-repudiation I.e., its provenance? Google shows only a few hits, indicating it is not widespread. Pr

Re: I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-22 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
On Sat, 2003-12-20 at 09:03, Ian Grigg wrote: > What is the source of the acronym PAIN? > > I.e., its provenance? > > Google shows only a few hits, indicating > it is not widespread. > > iang I just tried +security +pain +privacy +authentication +integrity on alta vista and it claims to have

I don't know PAIN...

2003-12-20 Thread Ian Grigg
What is the source of the acronym PAIN? Lynn said: > ... A security taxonomy, PAIN: > * privacy (aka thinks like encryption) > * authentication (origin) > * integrity (contents) > * non-repudiation I.e., its provenance? Google shows only a few hits, indicating it is not widespread. iang ---