Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-13 Thread John Levine
>8Kbit/second is enough if all you need is to understand what is being >said, not recognize the speaker. The processing power to do this is >pretty small on today's scale of things.) With decent compression techniques, 8kbps is close to telephone quality, and 2400bps has artifacts but is still qu

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-13 Thread Leichter, Jerry
| Ian Farquhar (ifarquha) wrote> The other problem for this technique is | battery life. | | Suppose this worked by recording from mic to memory and then | transmitting later. This leads to a bunch of questions: | | By what factor could transmission time/power be reduced sending such a | recordin

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-11 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:26 AM 12/9/2006, Daniel F. Fisher wrote: Ian Farquhar (ifarquha) wrote> The other problem for this technique is battery life. Suppose this worked by recording from mic to memory and then transmitting later. This leads to a bunch of questions: By what factor could transmission time/powe

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-09 Thread Daniel F. Fisher
Ian Farquhar (ifarquha) wrote> The other problem for this technique is battery life. Suppose this worked by recording from mic to memory and then transmitting later. This leads to a bunch of questions: By what factor could transmission time/power be reduced sending such a recording later? Ho

RE: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-05 Thread Ian Farquhar (ifarquha)
mplemented already. Ian. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taral Sent: Monday, 4 December 2006 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Ioannidis; cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: Re: cellphones as room bugs On 12/3/06, Thor Lancelot Simon

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread John Ioannidis
On Sun, Dec 03, 2006 at 09:26:15PM -0600, Taral wrote: > That's the same question I have. I don't remember seeing anything in > the GSM standard that would allow this either. > I'll hazard a guess: mobile providers can send a special type of message (not sure if it would be classed as an SMS) wit

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Taral
On 12/3/06, Thor Lancelot Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's been a while since I built ISDN equipment but I do not think this is correct: can you show me how, exactly, one uses Q.931 to instruct the other endpoint to go off-hook? That's the same question I have. I don't remember seeing anyt

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thor Lancelot Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >It's been a while since I built ISDN equipment but I do not think this is >correct: can you show me how, exactly, one uses Q.931 to instruct the other >endpoint to go off-hook? You make use of the undocumented remote management interface [0]. Pete

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Alex Alten
At 10:21 AM 12/2/2006 -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The technique

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-04 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 20:26:07 -0500 Thor Lancelot Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 05:15:02PM -0500, John Ioannidis wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > > > > > Quoting: > > > > > >The FBI appears to have begun using a novel

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 05:15:02PM -0500, John Ioannidis wrote: > On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > > > Quoting: > > > >The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic > >surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a > >

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:21 AM 12/2/2006, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. BTW, its easy to thwar

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:21 AM 12/2/2006, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Quoting: The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The technique is cal

Re: cellphones as room bugs

2006-12-03 Thread John Ioannidis
On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 10:21:57AM -0500, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Quoting: > >The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic >surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a >mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby >conversa