Re: [tahoe-dev] a crypto puzzle about digital signatures and future compatibility

2009-09-04 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
On Thursday,2009-08-27, at 19:14 , James A. Donald wrote: Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: Right, and if we add algorithm agility then this attack is possible even if both SHA-2 and SHA-3 are perfectly secure! Consider this variation of the scenario: Alice generates a filecap and gives it to Bo

Re: [tahoe-dev] a crypto puzzle about digital signatures and future compatibility

2009-08-31 Thread James A. Donald
Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: On Wednesday,2009-08-26, at 19:49 , Brian Warner wrote: Attack B is where Alice uploads a file, Bob gets the filecap and downloads it, Carol gets the same filecap and downloads it, and Carol desires to see the same file that Bob saw. ... The attackers (who may b

Re: [tahoe-dev] a crypto puzzle about digital signatures and future compatibility

2009-08-31 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
On Wednesday,2009-08-26, at 19:49 , Brian Warner wrote: Attack B is where Alice uploads a file, Bob gets the filecap and downloads it, Carol gets the same filecap and downloads it, and Carol desires to see the same file that Bob saw. ... The attackers (who may be Alice and/or other parties)

Re: a crypto puzzle about digital signatures and future compatibility

2009-08-27 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: ...This at least suggests that the v1.7 readers need to check *all* hashes that are offered and raise an alarm if some verify and others don't. Is that good enough? "Good enough" for what purpose? By hypothesis, "SHA-3" is secure, so

Re: a crypto puzzle about digital signatures and future compatibility

2009-08-26 Thread Richard Salz
> This at least suggests that the v1.7 readers need to check *all* > hashes that are offered and raise an alarm if some verify and others > don't. Is that good enough? Isn't that what SSL/TLS does? /r$ -- STSM, DataPower CTO WebSphere Appliance Architect http://www.ibm.com/software/in

a crypto puzzle about digital signatures and future compatibility

2009-08-26 Thread Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
Folks: My brother Nathan Wilcox asked me in private mail about protocol versioning issues. (He was inspired by this thread on cryptography@metzdowd.com [1, 2, 3]). After rambling for a while about my theories and experiences with such things, I remembered this vexing "future-compatibili