Re: privacy in public places

2008-08-30 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Perry E. Metzger wrote, [on 8/28/2008 10:09 PM]: Given this, I think the time for focusing on the privacy implications of payment transponders and fare cars is over. Not carrying a cell phone will not help you avoid tracking when your environment is saturated with cameras. Digital cash toll coll

Re: privacy in public places

2008-08-29 Thread Sherri Davidoff
Perry E. Metzger wrote: > There has been a lot of talk on the list recently about the privacy > issues associated with various toll and fare collecting systems, but For folks that haven't seen it, next month's Scientific American is about "The Future of Privacy": http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?

Re: privacy in public places

2008-08-29 Thread "Hal Finney"
It is hard to argue with Perry's point that privacy in public is an endangered species at best. Suggesting that one confine one's illegal actions to the virtual world is not a particularly appealing response. Robin Hanson considered the problem in this article from back in the 1990s, a response to

Re: privacy in public places

2008-08-29 Thread Perry E. Metzger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) writes: > "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>Unfortunately, I don't see anything technological that people can reasonably >>do here to provide more privacy, > > Painting the camera lenses with laser pointers is quite effective, at least as > a sho

Re: privacy in public places

2008-08-29 Thread Peter Gutmann
"Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Unfortunately, I don't see anything technological that people can reasonably >do here to provide more privacy, Painting the camera lenses with laser pointers is quite effective, at least as a short-term civil-disobedience measure. Since there's no

privacy in public places

2008-08-28 Thread Perry E. Metzger
There has been a lot of talk on the list recently about the privacy issues associated with various toll and fare collecting systems, but others have been pointing out, correctly I think, that this matters less and less because of other technological developments. New York City recently announced