traffic analysis of phone calls?

2003-07-12 Thread Steve Bellovin
Slightly off-topic, but a reminder of the sort of thing that ordinary
crypto doesn't hide.

http://www.silicon.com/news/59-51/1/5093.html?rolling=2

IT Myths: Colombian drugs gang's mainframe-assisted assassinations?
Did drugs barons really use multi-million pound systems to see who
was grassing to informants...?

Colombian drug running, police raids and the assassination of
informants isn't something that has an obvious link to mainframe
technology but in the first of our series investigating IT myths
this was certainly the most intriguing.

The story has it that Colombian drugs cartels in the 1990s were
using massive mainframe computer systems to analyse telephone
billing records they had 'borrowed' from phone companies to find
out which people in their cartels were on the blower to Colombian
police and US agents.





--Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb (me)
http://www.wilyhacker.com (2nd edition of Firewalls book)



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Re: traffic analysis of phone calls?

2003-07-12 Thread Don Davis
 Slightly off-topic, but a reminder of the sort of thing that
 ordinary crypto doesn't hide.

 http://www.silicon.com/news/59-51/1/5093.html?rolling=2

 IT Myths: Colombian drugs gang's mainframe-assisted assassinations?
 Did drugs barons really use multi-million pound systems to see who
 was grassing to informants...?

with similar import, here's cringely's article on
insecure CALEA workstations:

- don davis


http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030710.html

Not only can the authorities listen to your phone calls,
 they can follow those phone calls back upstream and
 listen to the phones from which calls were made.  They
 can listen to what you say while you think you are on
 hold.  This is scary stuff.

But not nearly as scary as the way CALEA's own internal
 security is handled. The typical CALEA installation on
 a Siemens ESWD or a Lucent 5E or a Nortel DMS 500 runs
 on a Sun workstation sitting in the machine room down
 at the phone company. The workstation is password
 protected, but it typically doesn't run Secure Solaris.
 It often does not lie behind a firewall. Heck, it
 usually doesn't even lie behind a door. It has a direct
 connection to the Internet because, believe it or not,
 that is how the wiretap data is collected and transmitted.






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Re: traffic analysis of phone calls?

2003-07-12 Thread Vin McLellan
Personal
(Use it if you'd like, but keep me out of it.)
Steve Bellovin wrote:

Slightly off-topic, but a reminder of the sort of thing that ordinary
crypto doesn't hide.
http://www.silicon.com/news/59-51/1/5093.html?rolling=2

IT Myths: Colombian drugs gang's mainframe-assisted assassinations?
Reminds me of a Supercomputer system admin I ran across in California in 
the mid-1980s -- a part time Deputy Sheriff -- who (at the request of a 
California state LEA, and with the approval of his boss) was banging away 
at the DES-encrypted records of a guy, alleged to be a bookkeeper or 
financial analyst for a Columbia drug cartel, who had been arrested in 
California.

The story he told me was that the Deputy had been asked to try to 
brute-force the encryption on the file after the NSA and DEA had refused to 
attempt it.

Using free cycles on his corporate machine, he was into the project for a 
couple of months when a guy from the NSA showed up and convinced his boss 
that his effort was counterproductive to national security -- apparently 
because it threatened the reputation of DES.

At the time, I was more impressed that the Columbian was using a PC crypto 
package that apparently did not have an operational weaknesses that was 
then common in almost all commercial encryption packages for PCs.

Hope all is well for you and yours.

_Vin



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