Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-25 Thread R. Hirschfeld
> From: "Dave Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:37:55 +0100 > Joel Sing wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > I believe they have, at least to a large degree. InstantSSL > > (www.instantssl.com) sell 128-bit certificates for $49USD/annum. > > Certainly far cheaper than the VeriSign or Thawte

RE: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-25 Thread Paul E. Robichaux
ember 25, 2003 4:38 AM To: Email List: Cryptography Subject: Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star) Joel Sing wrote: > Hi Adam, > I believe they have, at least to a large degree. InstantSSL > (www.instantssl.com) sell 128-b

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Ed Gerck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >PRICING STRATEGY: CAs should keep their prices high and find ways to add >price to current products (eg, offering insurance, different certificate >classes, benefits for CRL access, etc.) -- because the potentially difficult >mid-term future of such business i

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-25 Thread Dave Howe
Joel Sing wrote: > Hi Adam, > I believe they have, at least to a large degree. InstantSSL > (www.instantssl.com) sell 128-bit certificates for $49USD/annum. > Certainly far cheaper than the VeriSign or Thawte equivalent. This is > their 'base' level service which comes with a $50USD warranty, email

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-25 Thread Damian Gerow
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:33:56 -0700, thus spake Adam Back <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: : You'd have thought there would be plenty of scope for certs to be sold : for a couple of $ / year. Eg. by one of the registrars bundling a : cert with your domain registration. I mean if someone can provide DNS : serv

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-24 Thread Joel Sing
Hi Adam, That was my point and why I said I don't see any reason cert prices with reasonable competition couldn't fall to a few dollars/year. I believe they have, at least to a large degree. InstantSSL (www.instantssl.com) sell 128-bit certificates for $49USD/annum. Certainly far cheaper than th

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-24 Thread Adam Back
On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 05:40:38PM -0700, Ed Gerck wrote: > Yes, there is a good reason for CAs to charge so much for certs. > I hope this posting is able to set this clear once and for all. > > [zero risk, zero cost, zero liability, zero regulatory burden] > 9. Product Price: At Will. > > There

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-24 Thread Ed Gerck
Yes, there is a good reason for CAs to charge so much for certs. I hope this posting is able to set this clear once and for all. FOREWORD: It's often said that a good lawyer should be able to argue both sides of an issue... Though I am not a lawyer, I believe it is instructive to see things

Re: why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-24 Thread Ian Grigg
Adam Back wrote: > You'd have thought there would be plenty of scope for certs to be sold > for a couple of $ / year. Excuse me? Why are they being sold "per year" in the first place? It's not as if there are any root servers to run! Outrageous! :-) iang

why are CAs charging so much for certs anyway? (Re: End of the line for Ireland's dotcom star)

2003-09-24 Thread Adam Back
Saw this on theregister.co.uk: geotrust is undercutting veri$ign at $159/cert vs $350/cert by verisign and $199 by Thawte (which as you note is just a verisign brand at this point). http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/67/33009.html You'd have thought there would be plenty of scope for ce