Re: [cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric crypto isn't secure

2012-11-11 Thread Adam Back
(I copied Hans-Joachim Knobloch onto the thread) Weiner is talking about small secret exponents (small d), no one does that. They choose smallish prime e, with low hamming weight (for encryption/signature verification efficiency) like 65537 (10001h) and get a random d, which will by definition

Re: [cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric crypto isn't secure

2012-11-04 Thread Jon Callas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Peter Gutmann pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz wrote: Jon Callas j...@callas.org writes: Which immediately prompts the question of what if it's long or secret? [1] This attack doesn't work on that. The

[cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric crypto isn't secure

2012-11-03 Thread Peter Gutmann
In the past there have been a few proposals to use asymmetric cryptosystems, typically RSA, like symmetric ones by keeping the public key secret, the idea behind this being that if the public key isn't known then there isn't anything for an attacker to factor or otherwise attack. Turns out that

Re: [cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric crypto isn't secure

2012-11-03 Thread Ralph Holz
Hi, In the past there have been a few proposals to use asymmetric cryptosystems, typically RSA, like symmetric ones by keeping the public key secret, the idea behind this being that if the public key isn't known then there isn't anything for an attacker to factor or otherwise attack. Turns

Re: [cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric crypto isn't secure

2012-11-03 Thread Jon Callas
In the past there have been a few proposals to use asymmetric cryptosystems, typically RSA, like symmetric ones by keeping the public key secret, the idea behind this being that if the public key isn't known then there isn't anything for an attacker to factor or otherwise attack. Turns out

Re: [cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric crypto isn't secure

2012-11-03 Thread Peter Gutmann
Jon Callas j...@callas.org writes: Which immediately prompts the question of what if it's long or secret? [1] This attack doesn't work on that. The asymmetric-as-symmetric was proposed about a decade ago as a means of protecting against new factorisation attacks, and was deployed as a commercial