[cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Adam Back
You know this is why you should use ssh-keys and disable password authentication. First thing I do when someone gives me an ssh account. ssh-keys is the EKE(*) equivalent for ssh. EKE for web login is decades overdue and if implemented and deployed properly in the browser and server could

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Peter Gutmann
Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org writes: EKE for web login is decades overdue and if implemented and deployed properly in the browser and server could pretty much wipe out phishing attacks on passwords. We have source code for apache, mozilla, maybe could persuade google; and perhaps microsoft and

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Ralph Holz
Hi, On 07/13/2011 01:34 PM, Ian G wrote: Is there any reason why the ssh client-side can't generate the key, take the password from the user, login and install the key, all in one operation? Hm, I think there's actually a tool to do just that, although I don't remember the name. You'd

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-07-13 9:10 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: As for Microsoft, Opera, etc who knows? (If you work on, or have worked on, any of these browsers, I'd like to hear more about why it hasn't been considered). I think it'll be a combination of two factors: 1. Everyone knows that passwords are

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:17 PM, James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com wrote: On 2011-07-13 9:10 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: As for Microsoft, Opera, etc who knows?  (If you work on, or have worked on, any of these browsers, I'd like to hear more about why it hasn't been considered).  I think

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Marsh Ray
On 07/13/2011 01:33 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: I believe Mozilla is [in]directly supported by Google. Mozilla has made so much money, they nearly lost their tax exempt status: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/08/11/20/1327240/IRS-Looking-at-GoogleMozilla-Relationship. Mozilla has a lot of cash

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Ian G
On 14/07/11 4:33 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:17 PM, James A. Donaldjam...@echeque.com wrote: On 2011-07-13 9:10 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: As for Microsoft, Microsoft have a big interest in bypassing the status quo, and they've tried several times. But each time it

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Brian Smith
Ian G wrote: Well, not financially, more like the policy side is impacted by the CAs, which are coordinated in a confidential industry body called CABForum. This body communicates internally to Mozilla (being a member) and via private comment by CAs to the CA desk. AFAIK, the CABForum has a

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread Peter Gutmann
Ian G i...@iang.org writes: Microsoft have a big interest in bypassing the status quo, and they've tried several times. But each time it isn't for the benefit of the users, more for their own benefit, in that they've tried to rebuild the security infrastructure with themselves in control.

Re: [cryptography] ssh-keys only and EKE for web too (Re: preventing protocol failings)

2011-07-13 Thread James A. Donald
Ian G wrote: The chances of them approving or agreeing to EKE are next to nil. The problem with Mozilla security coding is more this: most (all?) of the programmers who work in that area are all employees of the big software providers. And they all have a vested interest in working for the