Re: [cryptography] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
[Responding to the same three lists as before, please trim followups if you feel it's off-topic] In response to my earlier "OCSP is unfixably broken, by design" comments, a couple of people have responded off-list with variants of "OK smartypants, how would you do it better?". In order to provid

Re: [cryptography] Fwd: Comodo hacker: I hacked DigiNotar too; other CAs breached

2011-09-06 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:56 PM, David Koontz wrote: > > > http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/09/comodo-hacker-i-hacked-diginotar-too-other-cas-breached.ars :: "As with the statements issued after the Comodo hack, the DigiNotar statement was clear about one thing: the sophistication of the

[cryptography] Fwd: Comodo hacker: I hacked DigiNotar too; other CAs breached

2011-09-06 Thread David Koontz
http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2011/09/comodo-hacker-i-hacked-diginotar-too-other-cas-breached.ars The Comodo Hack mentioned in the DigiNotar Interim Report ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailm

Re: [cryptography] Diginotar Lessons Learned (long)

2011-09-06 Thread Fredrik Henbjork
On 2011-09-06, at 23:10 , Lucky Green wrote: > I can't help but chuckle about Diginotar's very public display of > security incompetence. I mean, who in our line of work can be expected > to keep a straight face when reading gems such as this one taken from > the report by Diginotar's incidence re

[cryptography] Diginotar Lessons Learned (long)

2011-09-06 Thread Lucky Green
I can't help but chuckle about Diginotar's very public display of security incompetence. I mean, who in our line of work can be expected to keep a straight face when reading gems such as this one taken from the report by Diginotar's incidence response rapporteur: "The separation of critical compon

Re: [cryptography] [SSL Observatory] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread Ian G
On 7/09/11 3:03 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: 2) the lack of CA advertising in the chrome. This is an old argument, and my position remains: Yes, and yes :) there is no way we are ever going to get average users to pay attention to CA branding, I've watched TV so I know what an advert is ;)

Re: [cryptography] [SSL Observatory] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread Ian G
On 5/09/11 7:23 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: Hi Peter, On 04/09/11 07:15, Peter Gutmann wrote: Blacklist-based validity checking, the Second Dumbest Idea in Computer Security (Marcus Ranum), doesn't work: Diginotar issued certs for which there was no record of issuance, therefore they coul

Re: [cryptography] [SSL Observatory] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread Ian G
On 6/09/11 1:07 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: This is true, but I'm not sure it's particularly relevant. (Who claims that HSMs are magic pixie dust?) CAs, when they issue a press release saying "everything's OK, we never lost control of our private key"? Some European countries also seem to have a

Re: [cryptography] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread lodewijk andré de la porte
The article itself is English (to my suprise, honestly) but if there's any pheriferal information you'd like to have translation off, I'm natively Dutch and wouldn't mind helping out. Practically all Dutch government websites of any significance have a Diginotar certificate. The government is stal

Re: [cryptography] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
"Kevin W. Wall" writes: >I don't read Dutch(?), but seems to have been pulled down. I saw it >yesterday. Was hoping to share it w/ some of my colleagues. It was updated after it was posted. >Do you have alternate URL? The current link from the reports page is: http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/docu

Re: [cryptography] Diginotar broken arrow as a tour-de-force of PKI fail

2011-09-06 Thread Kevin W. Wall
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Marsh Ray wrote: > > Preliminary report on-line: > >> >> http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/rapporten/2011/09/05/fox-it-operation-black-tulip.html I don't read Dutch(?), but seems to have been pulled down. I saw it yesterday. Was hoping to share