Re: [cryptography] SSL session resumption defective (Re: What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects])

2013-07-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Tue, July 2, 2013 2:02 pm, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> On Jul 2, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Ben Laurie wrote: >> >>> Alternatively, we stay in this world, clients expire sessions hourly, >>> and we're all happy. >> >> Is this what most recent browsers do?

Re: [cryptography] SSL session resumption defective (Re: What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects])

2013-07-02 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Tue, July 2, 2013 2:02 pm, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Jul 2, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Ben Laurie wrote: > > > Alternatively, we stay in this world, clients expire sessions hourly, > > and we're all happy. > > Is this what most recent browsers do? They expire their TLS sessions after > an hour? That w

Re: [cryptography] SSL session resumption defective (Re: What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects])

2013-07-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jul 2, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Ben Laurie wrote: > Alternatively, we stay in this world, clients expire sessions hourly, > and we're all happy. Is this what most recent browsers do? They expire their TLS sessions after an hour? That would be nice. --Paul Hoffman __

Re: [cryptography] SSL session resumption defective (Re: What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects])

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Laurie
On 2 July 2013 16:07, Adam Back wrote: > On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:48:02AM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: >> >> On 2 July 2013 11:25, Adam Back wrote: >>> >>> does it provide forward secrecy (via k' = H(k)?). >> >> >> Resumed [SSL] sessions do not give forward secrecy. Sessions should be >> expired re

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-07-02, at 4:17 AM, aort...@alu.itba.edu.ar wrote: >>> Given those shortcomings I think is not wise to recommend it unless your >>> enemy doesn't have the resources of a country. That being said, it's the >>> best tool at the moment, lights year ahead of other popular software >>> like >>>

Re: [cryptography] Is the NSA now a civilian intelligence agency? (Was: Re: Snowden: Fabricating Digital Keys?)

2013-07-02 Thread coderman
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:07 AM, ianG wrote: > ... it only takes a few > deviations to drift into crisis when power is large and concentrated. the behemoth that is the current intelligence apparatus(es) is most disturbing in this aspect; truly excessive concentration of power unethical to operate

[cryptography] SSL session resumption defective (Re: What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects])

2013-07-02 Thread Adam Back
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:48:02AM +0100, Ben Laurie wrote: On 2 July 2013 11:25, Adam Back wrote: does it provide forward secrecy (via k' = H(k)?). Resumed [SSL] sessions do not give forward secrecy. Sessions should be expired regularly, therefore. That seems like an SSL protocol bug no?

Re: [cryptography] What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects]

2013-07-02 Thread Taral
I think DANE will help with that. But that's blocked on having enough/easy DNSSEC-capable registrars. - Taral On Jul 2, 2013 3:26 AM, "Adam Back" wrote: > > I think it time to deprecate non-https (and non-forward secret > ciphersuites.) Compute power has moved on, session cacheing works, > symm

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
aort...@alu.itba.edu.ar: >>> The more interesting point is high vs low latency. I really like the >>> idea of having a high-latency option in Tor. It would still need to >>> have a lot of users to actually be useful, though. But it seems there >>> are various protocols that would be ore high-latenc

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
ianG: >> You can have privacy by using OTR and that's good in many situations, but >> won't protect you from somebody with enough money to hire techs and put >> some taps. > > > The threat is always on the node, never on the wire... > It is both. DPI does not merely mean inspection and it hasn'

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Michael Rogers: > On 01/07/13 01:55, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> It is also why we have multiple implementations as well. There is a >> Java version of Tor that is nearly ready for release and it will >> solve a number of the C implementation concerns and exchange them >> for Java related concerns. T

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 7/1/13 1:32 PM, Tom Ritter ha scritto: I'm not saying GlobaLeaks+Tor is safe. I'm saying I think our current remailer network is wildly unsafe. (Now what I think about fixing it... that's a whole other story, for a whole other time.) While it's outside the scope of GlobaLeaks to provide a

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/07/13 01:55, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > It is also why we have multiple implementations as well. There is a > Java version of Tor that is nearly ready for release and it will > solve a number of the C implementation concerns and exchange them > for

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30/06/13 20:32, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Michael Rogers: >> I'd love to see a revitalisation of remailer research, focussing >> on unlinkability (which we know many people would benefit from) >> rather than sender anonymity (which fewer people need,

[cryptography] Open Solicitation for Concept Notes: Open Technology Fund

2013-07-02 Thread Dan Meredith
Hello cryptographers, We are excited to share that the Open Technology Fund (OTF) at Radio Free Asia's (RFA) ongoing solicitation of concept notes is open and receiving proposals. We seek to fund disruptive technology projects that advance global Internet freedom and human rights online. If you ar

Re: [cryptography] What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects]

2013-07-02 Thread Ben Laurie
On 2 July 2013 11:25, Adam Back wrote: > I think it time to deprecate non-https (and non-forward secret > ciphersuites.) Compute power has moved on, session cacheing works, > symmetric crypto is cheap. > > Btw did anyone get a handle on session resumption - does it provide forward > secrecy (via

Re: [cryptography] What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects]

2013-07-02 Thread ianG
On 2/07/13 13:25 PM, Adam Back wrote: I think it time to deprecate non-https (and non-forward secret ciphersuites.) Compute power has moved on, session cacheing works, symmetric crypto is cheap. Good point -- anything that contributes to the "HTTPS Everywhere" campaign is a good thing. As a

Re: [cryptography] What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects]

2013-07-02 Thread Adam Back
I think it time to deprecate non-https (and non-forward secret ciphersuites.) Compute power has moved on, session cacheing works, symmetric crypto is cheap. Btw did anyone get a handle on session resumption - does it provide forward secrecy (via k' = H(k)?). Otherwise I saw concerns a disk stor

Re: [cryptography] What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects]

2013-07-02 Thread ianG
BTNS (better than nothing security) for IPSec could save it. There is precedent: the ideas behind SSH totally swept out secure-telnet within a year or so. Skype demolished other VoIP providers, because its keys were hidden. The same thing happened with that email transport security system.

Re: [cryptography] Is the NSA now a civilian intelligence agency? (Was: Re: Snowden: Fabricating Digital Keys?)

2013-07-02 Thread ianG
On 2/07/13 03:33 AM, mtm wrote: as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these fellas are decent men and not petty. I know a few of the older ones as well. They are indeed decent men, and historically

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread ianG
On 2/07/13 11:17 AM, aort...@alu.itba.edu.ar wrote: But I don't blame you. I don't think any real-time chat can ever be made "safe" and by safe I mean anonymous, because of its low-latency nature. On a tangent, I have often wanted high-latency chat because high-speed chat is so damn disrupti

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread aortega
>> Given those shortcomings I think is not wise to recommend it unless your >> enemy doesn't have the resources of a country. That being said, it's the >> best tool at the moment, lights year ahead of other popular software >> like >> Cryptocat, whose end-point security should be considered not onl

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread aortega
>> The more interesting point is high vs low latency. I really like the >> idea of having a high-latency option in Tor. It would still need to >> have a lot of users to actually be useful, though. But it seems there >> are various protocols that would be ore high-latency-friendly than >> HTTP - SMT

Re: [cryptography] Potential funding for crypto-related projects

2013-07-02 Thread aortega
> So then - what do you suggest to someone who wants to leak a document to > a press agency that has a GlobaLeaks interface? What do you suggest to > someone who wants to use a web email account that properly supports > HTTPS? What do you suggest to someone who wants location privacy from > their c

Re: [cryptography] What project would you finance? [WAS: Potential funding for crypto-related projects]

2013-07-02 Thread Joachim Strömbergson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aloha! On 2013-07-01 15:52 , Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 07:09:57PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: >> Speaking of which... >> >> If you had an extra $2-3K to give to a liberationtech or crypto >> project, who do you think would benefit