Re: [cryptography] stab from the past, was John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread John Levine
>The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, >and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to >complain or unresponsive etc. The most amazing thing just happened. Last night I went to bed in 2014, and today, based on the messages I'm reading, it is 1

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Sadiq Saif wrote: > Spamhaus is one that does this [expanding listings for the > intransigent]. I think they start targeting the corporate servers, too, to drive the point home to the suits. More power to 'em... If it wasn't for DNSBLs, email would not be possible (someth

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 1/1/2015 14:18, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Some of them willfully misclassify. > > In the past, one of the blacklist services used to escalate the range > of the blacklist surrounding an IP if a provider/ISP did not stop a > spammer. The blacklist range was made ever broader to apply pressure > to

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sadiq Saif wrote: > On 1/1/2015 13:40, Adam Back wrote: >> nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) >> >> The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, >> and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for

[cryptography] OT: SORBS is not censorship [Was: John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails]

2015-01-01 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
On Dec 31, 2014, at 5:16 AM, John Young wrote: > http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm I would say that I am sorry for this off-topic rant, but if I were sufficiently sorry, I wouldn’t be sending it. I used to be a postmaster for a medium-sized university and worked as a consu

Re: [cryptography] Fwd: [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Whitfield Diffie

2015-01-01 Thread Seth
On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 10:35:43 -0800, Kevin W. Wall wrote: Seems as though this interview might be of interest to those on these lists. I've not listened to it yet so I don't know how interesting it may be. Pauldotcom has a good interview with Diffie too http://securityweekly.com/2013/08/1

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 1/1/2015 13:40, Adam Back wrote: > nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) > > The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, > and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to > complain or unresponsive etc. DNSBLs do occasi

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Adam Back
nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to complain or unresponsive etc. They'll also falsely block you not because your config is inse

[cryptography] Fwd: [SC-L] Silver Bullet: Whitfield Diffie

2015-01-01 Thread Kevin W. Wall
Seems as though this interview might be of interest to those on these lists. I've not listened to it yet so I don't know how interesting it may be. -kevin P.S. - Happy Gnu Year to all of you. Sent from my Droid; please excuse typos. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Gary McGraw" Date

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Adam Back
He's been running an open relay since like 2000 or something... why not its his relay. Adam On 1 January 2015 at 18:40, Sadiq Saif wrote: > On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: >> http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm > > Don't run an open mail relay and your IP will be off

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: > http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm Don't run an open mail relay and your IP will be off the blacklist. Why are you running an open relay in 2014? -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___ cryp