Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-11-01 Thread Kent Yoder
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Martin Paljak mar...@martinpaljak.net wrote: Now, the fact that there are both binary blob drivers that speak PKCS#11 but also open source drivers (also free, in the sense of free software vs open source software) is as good excuse to reject PKCS#11 as ruling

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-30 Thread Martin Paljak
On 10/28/11 4:57 , Werner Koch wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:10, mar...@martinpaljak.net said: PKCS#11 but also open source drivers (also free, in the sense of free software vs open source software) is as good excuse to reject PKCS#11 In 99% percent of all cases Open Source and Free

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-30 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:10:46PM +0300, Martin Paljak wrote: Taking into account the original request of getting something off-the-shelf for PGP uses, this demand basically just rules out GnuPG for some users and use cases. GnuPG, sure - however: [..] the hardware usually comes

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-29 Thread ianG
On 29/10/11 10:09 AM, coderman wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Thor Lancelot Simont...@panix.com wrote: I find myself needing a crypto card, preferably PCIe, with onboard key storage ... i too would like to know what other options are available for HSM + Accel in PCIe form

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-29 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:10:38PM +1100, ianG wrote: Is there any particular reason why PCI(e) is preferred as a hardware interface? Because that's the only thing server boards typically have. Plus, PCIe is much preferable to PCI in terms of throughput (not that makes a bottleneck for a

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-29 Thread Ben Laurie
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon t...@panix.com wrote: I find myself needing a crypto card, preferably PCIe, with onboard key storage. The application is PGP, so I really need hardware that can use keys stored onboard to do arbitrary RSA operations -- rather than a

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:03, t...@panix.com said: So this appears to be basically a smartcard and USB smartcard reader built into the same frob. I can probably find a way to put it within Right. Unfortunately, it also appears to be unbuyable. I tried all three sources listed on the

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread Werner Koch
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:10, mar...@martinpaljak.net said: PKCS#11 but also open source drivers (also free, in the sense of free software vs open source software) is as good excuse to reject PKCS#11 In 99% percent of all cases Open Source and Free Software describe software distributed under the

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread Peter Gutmann
Martin Paljak mar...@martinpaljak.net writes: Taking into account the original request of getting something off-the-shelf for PGP uses, this demand basically just rules out GnuPG for some users and use cases. At the risk of slight self-promotion, cryptlib,

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread Thierry Moreau
Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:15:32PM +0300, Martin Paljak wrote: You have not described your requirements (ops/sec, FIPS/CC etc) but if the volume is low, you could take USB CryptoStick(s) (crypto-stick.org), which is supported by GnuPG and what can do up to 4096 bit

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread Morlock Elloi
Take a cheap Android, write the code you need for it, make it talk via USB, rip out all antennas, put it in your box (wrap in a paper bag first), and connect with USB cable to the internal USB port. HW cost: $80 a Trojan. Security certification concerns put aside, the architectural demands

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread lodewijk andré de la porte
Or pluk any old PC/laptop/notebook you have lying around and make it talk over IP. Phones consume less energy though, nice idea. It's arguably more secure than a CPU but I doubt it'd make a noticeable difference (since the rest of the hardware needs to be secure also). 2011/10/28 Morlock Elloi

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-28 Thread coderman
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Thor Lancelot Simon t...@panix.com wrote: I find myself needing a crypto card, preferably PCIe, with onboard key storage As far as I know, the only current products that do this are the IBM 4765 and the BCM586x line of chips.  There were more sources

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-27 Thread Alfonso De Gregorio
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon t...@panix.com wrote: I find myself needing a crypto card, preferably PCIe, with onboard key storage.  The application is PGP, so I really need hardware that can use keys stored onboard to do arbitrary RSA operations -- rather than a

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-27 Thread Peter Gutmann
Alfonso De Gregorio a...@crypto.lo.gy writes: For a past project, I've been engineering a cryptographic appliance running with Bull TrustWay CC2000 http://support.bull.com/ols/product/security/trustway/c2000/cc2000.html It is a full-length PCI with on-board key storage. Can you provide a bit

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-27 Thread Jürgen Brauckmann
Thor Lancelot Simon schrieb: As far as I know, the only current products that do this are the IBM 4765 and the BCM586x line of chips. There were more sources once-upon-a-time of course -- nCipher and NetOctave/NBMK/etc. but those products seem to be gone now (and have obsolete PCI host

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-27 Thread Werner Koch
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:15, mar...@martinpaljak.net said: I don't know about PGP(.com), but GnuPG is picky about hardware key containers. Things like PKCS#11. For the records: That is simply not true. We only demand an open API specification for the HSM because we don't want to support binary

Re: [cryptography] -currently available- crypto cards with onboard key storage

2011-10-27 Thread Alfonso De Gregorio
Hi Peter, On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Peter Gutmann pgut...@cs.auckland.ac.nz wrote: Alfonso De Gregorio a...@crypto.lo.gy writes: For a past project, I've been engineering a cryptographic appliance running with Bull TrustWay CC2000