Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-17 Thread John Young
At 12:09 AM 3/17/2014, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: If everything (including the network path my data takes) is encrypted, then I have no real ability to know if it's being tapped, redirected, or misdirected. A point not well emphasized by cryptographers, in public at least, and advocates of encrypt

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-14 Thread tpb-crypto
> Message du 14/03/14 04:52 > De : "Troy Benjegerdes" > A : tpb-cry...@laposte.net > Copie à : "John Young" , cypherpu...@cpunks.org, cryptography@randombit.net, > crypt...@freelists.org > Objet : Re: Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy > > > > getting agreement of all targets --

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-14 Thread John Young
Snowden's video, comments and talks at SXSW convey the failure to aim higher with ubiquitous comsec, instead to remain within the comfortable fold of Snowden's "do no harm to national security." This blind faith in natsec cautionary implantation in Snowden and his media outlets aided by technical

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-14 Thread John Young
At 11:52 PM 3/13/2014, Troy Benjegerdes sigged: "earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul" Your sig: "earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul" (EWAFMSS) pretty well covers the area of operations needing ubiquitous comsec against ubuiquitous spying of EWAFMSS. Certainly there will be viol

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-13 Thread tpb-crypto
> Message du 13/03/14 15:33 > De : "John Young" > A : cypherpu...@cpunks.org, cryptography@randombit.net, crypt...@freelists.org > Copie à : > Objet : Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy > > Snowden may have raised the prospect of comsec as a public utility > like power, water, ga

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-13 Thread tpb-crypto
> Okay, isn't this a bit over the top? > > > -- > Kevin Over the top you say? I will tell you what is over the top ... The US and UK are doing the digital equivalent of the medieval practice of throwing corpses, rats and dead cats over the fence of our backyards on the mere suspicion that w

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
> Freedom of comsec, say, as a new entry in the US Bill of Rights > could lead the way for it to be a fundamental element of Human > Rights. The Right to Privacy by Warren and Brandeis (1890) FTW! > NSA's ubiquitous spying on everybody at home and elsewhere > with technology beyond accountability

Re: [cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-13 Thread Kevin
On 3/13/2014 9:59 AM, John Young wrote: Snowden may have raised the prospect of comsec as a public utility like power, water, gas, sewage, air quality, environmental protection and telecommunications. Privacy protection has been shown to be illusory at best, deceptive at worst, due to the uncontr

[cryptography] Comsec as Public Utility Beyond Illusory Privacy

2014-03-13 Thread John Young
Snowden may have raised the prospect of comsec as a public utility like power, water, gas, sewage, air quality, environmental protection and telecommunications. Privacy protection has been shown to be illusory at best, deceptive at worst, due to the uncontrollable technology applied erroneously fo