Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-10 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-11-11 6:11 AM, coderman wrote: ... or wait for all relevant patents to expire. note that a sufficient period of time may extend beyond expiration for some safe duration of months/years. All the routinely used ECC technology is more than fifteen years old. What stops them from

[cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread Adam Back
Anyone have informed opinions on whether ECDSA is patent free? Any suggestions on EC capable crypto library that implements things without tripping over any certicom claimed optimizations? (Someone pointed out to me recently that the redhat shipped openSSL is devoid of ECC which is kind of a

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Adam Back wrote: Anyone have informed opinions on whether ECDSA is patent free? Define informed. Seriously. Do you want to hear from actual lawyers? People who have talked to lawyers? People who think they understand law? Any suggestions on EC capable crypto

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 07:22:08PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Any suggestions on EC capable crypto library that implements things without tripping over any certicom claimed optimizations? They can claim whatever they want. Since they have more money for lawyers than most open source projects, they

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Anyone have informed opinions on whether ECDSA is patent free? ECDSA is part of BIST's Digital Signature Standard. A royalty free license is a requisite. Any suggestions on EC capable crypto library that implements things

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-11-10 4:53 AM, Jack Lloyd wrote: On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 07:22:08PM +0100, Adam Back wrote: Any suggestions on EC capable crypto library that implements things without tripping over any certicom claimed optimizations? They can claim whatever they want. Since they have more money for

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread James A. Donald
On 2011-11-10 4:22 AM, Adam Back wrote: Anyone have informed opinions on whether ECDSA is patent free? Nothing is patent free. Anyone can patent anything, and they usually do. ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread Mike Simpson
On 9 Nov 2011, at 22:03, James A. Donald jam...@echeque.com wrote: On 2011-11-10 4:22 AM, Adam Back wrote: Anyone have informed opinions on whether ECDSA is patent free? OpenSSH have implemented use of ecc since 5.7. It will by default import the ecdsa server host key if present. The

Re: [cryptography] ECDSA - patent free?

2011-11-09 Thread Peter Gutmann
Jack Lloyd ll...@randombit.net writes: For some reason RH legal seems especially frightened of crypto patents; it's not like dozens of features of gcc, the kernel, etc aren't covered by patents. They may just be choosing where to fight their battles. If adaptive source routing (affecting all