Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Adam Back
nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to complain or unresponsive etc. They'll also falsely block you not because your config is

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 1/1/2015 13:40, Adam Back wrote: nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off than for you to complain or unresponsive etc. DNSBLs do

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Adam Back
He's been running an open relay since like 2000 or something... why not its his relay. Adam On 1 January 2015 at 18:40, Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com wrote: On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm Don't run an open mail relay and your IP

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 12/31/2014 07:16, John Young wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm Don't run an open mail relay and your IP will be off the blacklist. Why are you running an open relay in 2014? -- Sadiq Saif https://staticsafe.ca ___

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com wrote: On 1/1/2015 13:40, Adam Back wrote: nah what am I thinking probably! 1988 if not earlier, 27 years :) The point is block lists suck, they're always blocking false things, and vigilante abusive takes 3x longer to take you off

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 1/1/2015 14:18, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Some of them willfully misclassify. In the past, one of the blacklist services used to escalate the range of the blacklist surrounding an IP if a provider/ISP did not stop a spammer. The blacklist range was made ever broader to apply pressure to the

Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2015-01-01 Thread Dave Horsfall
On Thu, 1 Jan 2015, Sadiq Saif wrote: Spamhaus is one that does this [expanding listings for the intransigent]. I think they start targeting the corporate servers, too, to drive the point home to the suits. More power to 'em... If it wasn't for DNSBLs, email would not be possible

[cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2014-12-31 Thread John Young
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Re: [cryptography] John Gilmore: Cryptography list is censoring my emails

2014-12-31 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:16 AM, John Young j...@pipeline.com wrote: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/gilmore-crypto-censored.htm John(Gnu): Likely Trilight Zone is not an app (like cspace), it's a service (like other/similar services they claim to be concerned about in media-35535.pdf). Best used