Re: [cryptography] NSA co-chair claimed sabotage on CFRG list/group (was Re: ECC patent FUD revisited

2014-01-07 Thread ianG
I think, like James, I see the sacrificial lamb approach. There is benefit in watching what they are up to. If a measurable push comes out of the IAB's CFRG, then this is a clear signal to avoid that like the plague. Pushing ECC patents. Pushing NIST curves. Clear signals! Without those s

Re: [cryptography] NSA co-chair claimed sabotage on CFRG list/group (was Re: ECC patent FUD revisited

2014-01-06 Thread James A. Donald
On 2014-01-07 13:41, Adam Back wrote: You also assessed that the IETF/IRTF's "open processes" are an adequate safeguard against NSA subversion, even by a group chair. I'm not sure of that. I worry about soft forms of sabotage like making Internet crypto hard to implement securely, and hard to d

[cryptography] NSA co-chair claimed sabotage on CFRG list/group (was Re: ECC patent FUD revisited

2014-01-06 Thread Adam Back
On Sun, Jan 05, 2014 at 09:36:29AM -, D. J. Bernstein wrote: NSA's Kevin Igoe writes, on the semi-moderated c...@irtf.org list: [...] impact the Certicom patents have on the use of newer families of curves, such as Edwards curves. [...] patent FUD. [...] used to argue against switching to