Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:18:42PM -0400, Steven Bellovin wrote: Remember how well the original IBM PC clicky keyboard went over (I think I'm the only person in the US who actually liked it - veryone gave me theirs after upgrading to the newer lightweight and silent ones) Im typing on

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread Ian G
On 6/06/11 11:57 AM, David G. Koontz wrote: On 5/06/11 6:26 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: That's the thing, you have to consider the threat model: If anyone's really that desperately interested in watching your tweets about what your cat's doing as you type them then there are far easier attack

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread Nico Williams
TEMPEST. I'd like keyboards with counter-measures (emanation of noise clicks) or shielding to be on the market, and built-in for laptops. I wonder whether touch-screen smartphones give off any useful RF emanations regarding touches, drags, screen contents. Anyways, I'm getting out of topic...

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Nico Williams wrote: TEMPEST. I'd like keyboards with counter-measures (emanation of noise clicks) or shielding to be on the market, and built-in for laptops. Remember how well the original IBM PC clicky keyboard went over (I think I'm the only person in the US who

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread Nico Williams
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, J.A. Terranson me...@mfn.org wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Nico Williams wrote: TEMPEST. I'd like keyboards with counter-measures (emanation of noise clicks) or shielding to be on the market, and built-in for laptops. Remember how well the original IBM PC clicky

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread Marsh Ray
On 06/07/2011 02:01 PM, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Nico Williams wrote: TEMPEST. I'd like keyboards with counter-measures (emanation of noise clicks) or shielding to be on the market, and built-in for laptops. Remember how well the original IBM PC clicky keyboard went over

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jun 7, 2011, at 3:01 30PM, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Nico Williams wrote: TEMPEST. I'd like keyboards with counter-measures (emanation of noise clicks) or shielding to be on the market, and built-in for laptops. Remember how well the original IBM PC clicky

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-07 Thread Peter Gutmann
Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu writes: Im typing on a large, heavy, clicky IBM keyboard right now... I have a 15-year-old one that's still going strong (not a buckling-spring one, which I was never that much of a fan of, but a keyswitch one), but I'm not sure what I'd do if this one ever

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-05 Thread David G. Koontz
On 5/06/11 6:26 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: That's the thing, you have to consider the threat model: If anyone's really that desperately interested in watching your tweets about what your cat's doing as you type them then there are far easier attack channels than going through the crypto.

Re: [cryptography] Preserve us from poorly described/implemented crypto

2011-06-05 Thread Marsh Ray
On 06/05/2011 08:57 PM, David G. Koontz wrote: On 5/06/11 6:26 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: That's the thing, you have to consider the threat model: If anyone's really that desperately interested in watching your tweets about what your cat's doing as you type them then there are far easier attack