Re: [cryptography] The consequences of DigiNotar's failure

2011-09-18 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Ian G i...@iang.org wrote: On 18/09/11 8:38 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, M.R.makro...@gmail.com  wrote: On 16/09/11 09:16, Jeffrey Walton wrote: The problem is that people will probably die due Digitar's failure. I am not the

Re: [cryptography] The consequences of DigiNotar's failure

2011-09-17 Thread Peter Gutmann
M.R. makro...@gmail.com writes: No one actively working against a government that is known to engage in extra-legal killings will trust SSL secured e-mail to protect him or her from the government surveillance. That's a non-sequitur. What you're saying is that no-one working in an environment

Re: [cryptography] The consequences of DigiNotar's failure

2011-09-17 Thread M.R.
On 17/09/11 14:03, Peter Gutmann wrote: ... What you're saying is that no-one working in an environment where they actually need SSL should trust SSL. I honestly don't understand why you would say ...where they actually need SSL Let's first assume we agree on what we mean by various

Re: [cryptography] The consequences of DigiNotar's failure

2011-09-17 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, M.R. makro...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/09/11 09:16, Jeffrey Walton wrote: The problem is that people will probably die due Digitar's failure. I am not the one to defend DigiNotar, but I would not make such dramatic assumption. I don't think DigiNotar has any

Re: [cryptography] The consequences of DigiNotar's failure

2011-09-17 Thread Chris Palmer
Just to clarify things, let's put a face on the phenomenon: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/syrian-activist-ghiyath-matars-death-spurs-grief-debate/2011/09/14/gIQArgq8SK_story.html Before you say It's the dissident's fault, everyone obviously does, or should, understand that SSL

Re: [cryptography] The consequences of DigiNotar's failure

2011-09-16 Thread Ian G
On 17/09/11 3:07 AM, M.R. wrote: On 16/09/11 09:16, Jeffrey Walton wrote: The problem is that people will probably die due Digitar's failure. I am not the one to defend DigiNotar, but I would not make such dramatic assumption. No one actively working against a government that is known to