Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-09 Thread Pete Chown
Matt Blaze wrote: Huh? DVD region coding doesn't prevent this at all; ripped decrypted DVD mpeg files could be played anywhere. I think that DRM mechanisms may increase piracy. A few years ago you could buy a CD, knowing that it was a standard product which you could use in certain ways.

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-09 Thread Pete Chown
Alan wrote: Another argument for the regions is the differing formats for TV signals. (NTSC v.s. PAL.) It is a bogus argument as you can find DVD players that will convert the signal with little or no problem. Actually my TV is happy with either. I always had the notion that I wouldn't be

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-09 Thread David Turner
On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 10:17, Birger Toedtmann wrote: David Turner schrieb am Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 01:29:39PM -0500: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 05:50, Pete Chown wrote: With DVDs we have a complex situation. Supposedly studios can make more per film, so they can afford to make more

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-09 Thread Michael Shields
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Karn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly. Time segmentation already practiced by the movie studios and book publishers, and it's pretty hard to arbitrage -- until somebody invents time travel. For books and CDs -- and as the region coding system breaks down,

Re: DeCSS, crypto, (regions removed??!)

2003-01-09 Thread alan
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: At 03:54 PM 01/08/2003 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: Hi, I dont know if this is relevant to the discussion, but in Sweden (not a region-1 country) people where so pissed at the regionsystem (and the fact that most computer geeks could go around it, but

Re: DeCSS, crypto, (regions removed??!)

2003-01-09 Thread tpurdy
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 05:13:03 -0800 (PST), alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: At 03:54 PM 01/08/2003 +0100, Martin Olsson wrote: Hi, I dont know if this is relevant to the discussion, but in Sweden (not a region-1 country) people where so pissed at the

Re: DeCSS, crypto, law, and economics

2003-01-09 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Matt Blaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, import region-free DVD players *are* available, quite legally, within the US, as are non-region 1 disks. Kim's video in NYC is one source. They are all unfamiliar off brands, however - you won't find Sony or Matsushita (deliberately)