Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-12 Thread bear
On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, AARG!Anonymous wrote: >It's likely that only a limited number of compiler configurations would >be in common use, and signatures on the executables produced by each of >those could be provided. Then all the app writer has to do is to tell >people, get compiler version so-an

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread Russell Nelson
AARG!Anonymous writes: > I'd like the Palladium/TCPA critics to offer an alternative proposal > for achieving the following technical goal: > > Allow computers separated on the internet to cooperate and share data > and computations such that no one can get access to the data outside >

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-10 Thread R. Hirschfeld
> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:30:09 -0700 > From: AARG!Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Re the debate over whether compilers reliably produce identical object > (executable) files: > > The measurement and hashing in TCPA/Palladium will probably not be done > on the file itself, but on the executable

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread AARG!Anonymous
Re the debate over whether compilers reliably produce identical object (executable) files: The measurement and hashing in TCPA/Palladium will probably not be done on the file itself, but on the executable content that is loaded into memory. For Palladium it is just the part of the program called

RE: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Sam Simpson
I'm not surprised that most people couldn't produce a matching PGP executbales - most compilers (irrespective of compiler optimisation options etc) include a timestamp in the executable. Regards, Sam Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.samsimpson.com/ Mob: +44 (0) 7866 726060 Home Off

RE: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread Lucky Green
Anonymous wrote: > Matt Crawford replied: > > Unless the application author can predict the exact output of the > > compilers, he can't issue a signature on the object code. The > > compilers then have to be inside the trusted base, checking a > > signature on the source code and reflecting it

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-09 Thread AARG!Anonymous
Anon wrote: > You could even have each participant compile the program himself, > but still each app can recognize the others on the network and > cooperate with them. Matt Crawford replied: > Unless the application author can predict the exact output of the > compilers, he can't issue a signatur

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-08 Thread R. Hirschfeld
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:55:40 +0200 > From: "R. Hirschfeld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:50:29 -0700 > > From: AARG!Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I'd like the Palladium/TCPA critics to offer an alternative proposal > > for achieving the following technical goal: >

Re: Challenge to TCPA/Palladium detractors

2002-08-08 Thread R. Hirschfeld
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:50:29 -0700 > From: AARG!Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'd like the Palladium/TCPA critics to offer an alternative proposal > for achieving the following technical goal: > > Allow computers separated on the internet to cooperate and share data > and computations