Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-20 Thread John W Noerenberg II
At 9:08 AM -0400 4/17/02, Russell Nelson wrote: The union of the two sets of cryptography users and paranoid people is necessarily non-empty. Who would bother to use cryptography sans a threat model? And if you've got a non-empty threat model, then by definition you're paranoid. Nah. Paranoia

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-17 Thread Derek Atkins
Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The union of the two sets of cryptography users and paranoid people is necessarily non-empty. Who would bother to use cryptography sans a threat model? And if you've got a non-empty threat model, then by definition you're paranoid. I think it's

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-17 Thread Dan Geer
The union of the two sets of cryptography users and paranoid people is necessarily non-empty. Who would bother to use cryptography sans a threat model? And if you've got a non-empty threat model, then by definition you're paranoid. Uh, I don't have to run faster than the bear I

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-17 Thread Russell Nelson
Derek Atkins writes: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The union of the two sets of cryptography users and paranoid people is necessarily non-empty. Who would bother to use cryptography sans a threat model? And if you've got a non-empty threat model, then by definition

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-17 Thread Russell Nelson
Dan Geer writes: The union of the two sets of cryptography users and paranoid people is necessarily non-empty. Who would bother to use cryptography sans a threat model? And if you've got a non-empty threat model, then by definition you're paranoid. Uh, I don't have

RE: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-17 Thread Trei, Peter
Russell Nelson[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote Derek Atkins writes: I think it's really about degree. I don't agree that having a non-empty threat model implies you a paranoid. Yes, you're right (and Phil Pennock points out that I meant intersection, not union). Dictionary.com defines

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-17 Thread Matt Curtin
Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what *is* the right word for having a non-empty threat model for moderate and rational reasons? Shrewd. -- Matt Curtin Interhack Corp +1 614 545 HACK http://web.interhack.com/ Author, Developing Trust: Online Privacy and Security (Apress,

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-16 Thread Matt Crawford
Businesses today could reasonably be content with their 1024-bit keys, and military institutions and those paranoid enough to fear from them should have upgraded years ago. To me, the big news in Lucky Green's announcement is not that he believes that Bernstein's research is

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-16 Thread Jeremey Barrett
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 08:44:06PM +0200, Anonymous wrote: Bruce Schneier writes in the April 15, 2002, CRYPTO-GRAM, http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0204.html: But there's no reason to panic, or to dump existing systems. I don't think Bernstein's announcement has changed

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-16 Thread Sidney Markowitz
Does anyone else notice the contradiction in these two paragraphs? First Bruce says that businesses can reasonably be content with 1024 bit keys, then he appears shocked that Lucky Green still has a 1024 bit key? The big news is does not mean the same as I'm shocked that. He appears to agree

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-16 Thread Derek Atkins
Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Schneier writes in the April 15, 2002, CRYPTO-GRAM, http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0204.html: But there's no reason to panic, or to dump existing systems. I don't think Bernstein's announcement has changed anything. Businesses today

Re: Schneier on Bernstein factoring machine

2002-04-16 Thread bear
On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Anonymous wrote: Bruce Schneier writes in the April 15, 2002, CRYPTO-GRAM, http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0204.html: But there's no reason to panic, or to dump existing systems. I don't think Bernstein's announcement has changed anything. Businesses today