Re: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-08-01 Thread Udhay Shankar N
At 02:05 PM 7/29/99 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: The more money people make with internet commerce, the fewer legs totalitarians will have to stand on when they call for the criminalization of strong cryptography. I wish I could agree with you. I think, however, that your thesis holds only

Re: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-07-31 Thread Ted Lemon
It can only be resolved by software and hardware designers choosing to integrate it seamlessly into their products with or without the permission of their rulers. To some degree this is happening in the Open Source community, but in order to make strong crypto ubiquitous for, e.g., cell

RE: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-07-30 Thread Eugene Leitl
Lucky Green writes: [Before a reader replies with an argument based on a claim that strong crypto is in the process of becoming ubiquitous, please take a look at your phone. Does it perform 3DES encryption? Do the phones of the majority of Phone? Why do I need a stupid phone if there's

RE: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-07-29 Thread Lucky Green
Of course the German government will submit to US demands. Understand that at present, crypto isn't an immediate thread to USG's interests, despite the claims to the contrary by both crypto advocates and the government. The US and its allies have made certain that virtually every piece of

Re: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-07-28 Thread William H. Geiger III
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/27/99 at 09:17 PM, John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: use of the Internet to distribute encryption products will render Wassenaar's controls immaterial." The bitch is getting a clue. :) -- --- William

Re: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-07-28 Thread Dan Geer
[Forwarded because no one has brought up this notion in a while. My problem with it is that most people don't seem to like the 2nd amendment any more so this can hardly help to popularize the cause. My feeling is that the 4th and 5th amendments have more potential protection in them. --Perry]

Re: US Urges Ban of Internet Crypto

1999-07-28 Thread Phil Karn
I recognize that this issue is controversial, unless we address this situation, use of the Internet to distribute encryption products will render Wassenaar's controls immaterial." Gee, I thought Reinsch said it didn't matter that encryption software was distributed on the Internet because