Re: simple (secure??) PW-based web login (was Re: Another entry in theinternet security hall of shame....)

2005-09-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Amir Herzberg wrote: Excellent point. From which follows the question: can we improve the security of password-based web login, with less drastic changes - at least in the servers? Or is TLS-PSK the best/only way for us to improve pw-based web login? I think we can. For simplicity and

Re: Amazon's

2005-09-15 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Amir Herzberg writes: Amazon have this lovely service: if you tell if you forgot your pw, they send you to: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/self-service-forgot-password-get-email-done /104-2901457-0883904 where they ask you to confirm your identity... using 5

Re: multiple keys to 1

2005-09-15 Thread John Kelsey
From: rbg9000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 8, 2005 3:01 PM To: cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: multiple keys to 1 Sorry, I really don't know much about encryption, and my google searches haven't turned up much. I wondering if it's possible to reduce a set of symmetric keys (aes, twofish,

RE: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Whyte, William
http://www1.ietf.org/proceedings_new/04nov/slides/saag-2/sld9.htm: What is Really Covered o The use of elliptic curves defined over GF(p) where p is a prime number greater than 2^255 when the product satisfies the Field of Use conditions o Both compressed and

[Colloquium] ARMSTRONG LECTURE on Quantum Crypto and Optical Networks (Forwarded)

2005-09-15 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Rubenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Department of Electrical Engineering at Columbia University invites you to attend THE ARMSTRONG MEMORIAL LECTURE Monday, September 19 - 3:00pm Davis Auditorium (Schapiro/Host) Host:

Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-15 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 12:29 PM -0400 9/14/05, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: TODAY * TODAY * TODAY * WEDNESDAY, Sept. 14 2005 So, I saw this here at Farquhar Street at 14:55EST, jumped in the shower, thus missing the train 13:20 train at Rozzy Square :-), instead took the bus, and then the T, and got to MIT's New

Record a keyboard, reconstruct what was typed.

2005-09-15 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Interesting new paper: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~tygar/papers/Keyboard_Acoustic_Emanations_Revisited/preprint.pdf We examine the problem of keyboard acoustic emanations. We present a novel attack taking as input a 10-minute sound recording of a user typing English text using a

Re: simple (secure??) PW-based web login (was Re: Another entry in theinternet security hall of shame....)

2005-09-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
there is somewhat an anciallary philosphical issue. most of the current password-based systems have been oriented towards a static environment ... contributing to a mindset that addresses authentication technology as a static issue. The PKI paradigm even goes further with contributing to a

Re: simple (secure??) PW-based web login (was Re: Another entryin theinternet security hall of shame....)

2005-09-15 Thread Amir Herzberg
Some clarification of the proposal: Initialization: === client has dedicated pw(server) to each server (today's situation). Client is supposed to be able to identify server based on the server's certificate etc., e.g. using TrustBar over regular browser. Client also installs the

MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

2005-09-15 Thread David Wagner
Victor Duchovni wrote: Joint works with [...] Is it politically correct to not cite DJB in this context [...] The phrase joint work with XXX means that this was a collaboration between XXX and the speaker. If DJB wasn't part of the collaboration, then of course he wouldn't be on that list.

Re: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Nick Owen
James A. Donald wrote: -- Whyte, William: It hints that only some particular curves have been licensed. It could be that NSA has decided not to buy a license for the other curves, or it could be that operations on those curves aren't patented. The presentation doesn't give enough

Re: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James A. Donald writes: -- Whyte, William: It hints that only some particular curves have been licensed. It could be that NSA has decided not to buy a license for the other curves, or it could be that operations on those curves aren't patented. The

Re: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Rich Salz
If the NSA paid anything significant for any of the curves, we would be told. You were better off not responding; you have lost your credibility on this topic. Given the NSA's history of secrecy; and the fact that it's common practice to not disclose (financial) terms

RE: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Greg Rose
At 09:54 2005-09-15 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: I doubt that the NSA paid any money whatsoever for this license, making it profoundly unimpressive as evidence that *any* curves have a plausible valid patent. If the NSA paid real money, the patent holders would be sticking it in our face as a

RE: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Whyte, William
They paid $25MM. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James A. Donald Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:54 PM To: cryptography@metzdowd.com Subject: RE: ECC patents? -- Whyte, William: It hints that only some

RE: ECC patents?

2005-09-15 Thread Whyte, William
$25MM figure: http://lists.jammed.com/ISN/2003/10/0097.html More details about what's covered: http://www.nsa.gov/ia/industry/crypto_elliptic_curve.cfm http://www.nsa.gov/ia/industry/crypto_suite_b.cfm William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]