In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6993661
Gee, the inventor is Simson Garfinkel, who's written a bunch of books
including Database Nation, published in 2000 by O'Reilly, about all
the way the public and private actors are spying on us.
I wonder
can anyone please shed more light on this patent. It seems like a
patent on the simple process of cryptographic erase..
saqib
http://www.full-disk-encryption.net/wiki
On Jan 22, 2008 7:29 PM, Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6993661
Ed Gerck wrote:
List,
I would like to address and request comments on the use of SSL/TLS and
port 587 for email security.
The often expressed idea that SSL/TLS and port 587 are somehow able to
prevent warrantless wiretapping and so on, or protect any private
communications, is IMO simply
Ed Gerck wrote, On 23/1/08 7:38 AM:
The often expressed idea that SSL/TLS and port 587 are somehow able to prevent
warrantless wiretapping and so on, or protect any private communications, is
IMO simply
not supported by facts.
I would like to see some facts to support the assertion that the
* Ed Gerck:
The often expressed idea that SSL/TLS and port 587 are somehow able
to prevent warrantless wiretapping and so on, or protect any private
communications, is IMO simply not supported by facts.
Huh? Have you got a source for that? This is he first time I've
heard of such claims.
At 10:38 AM -0800 1/22/08, Ed Gerck wrote:
The often expressed idea that SSL/TLS and port 587 are somehow able
to prevent warrantless wiretapping and so on, or protect any private
communications, is IMO simply not supported by facts.
Can you point to some sources of this often expressed idea?
On 22 January 2008 18:38, Ed Gerck wrote:
It is misleading to claim that port 587 solves the security problem of
email eavesdropping, and gives people a false sense of security. It is
worse than using a 56-bit DES key -- the email is in plaintext where it is
most vulnerable.
Well, yes:
On 23 January 2008 04:45, Ali, Saqib wrote:
can anyone please shed more light on this patent. It seems like a
patent on the simple process of cryptographic erase..
As far as I can tell, they're describing a hardware pass-through OTF
encryption unit that plugs inline with a hard drive
John Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6993661
Gee, the inventor is Simson Garfinkel, who's written a bunch of books
including Database Nation, published in 2000 by O'Reilly, about all the way
the public and private
| http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6993661
|
| Gee, the inventor is Simson Garfinkel, who's written a bunch of books
| including Database Nation, published in 2000 by O'Reilly, about all
| the way the public and private actors are spying on us.
|
| I wonder whether this was research to see
Bodo Moeller wrote:
You don't take into account the many users these days who use wireless
Internet access from their laptop computers, typically essentially
broadcasting all network data to whoever is sufficiently close and
sufficiently nosy.
Yes. Caveats apply but SSL/TLS is useful and
I wonder whether this was research to see how hard it
was to get the PTO to grant an absurd patent.
Get Simson's opinion, please. It is not insane to
patent something so that you can control its use
and to do so for reasons other than wanting to
lay about in the Caribbean/Vegas.
As
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:49:32 -0800
Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I commented in the
second paragraph, an attack at the ISP (where SSL/TLS is
of no help) has been the dominant threat -- and that is
why one of the main problems is called warrantless
wiretapping. Further, because US law
At 9:49 PM -0800 1/22/08, Ed Gerck wrote:
Can you point to some sources of this often expressed idea? It
seems like a pretty flimsy straw man.
It is common with those who think that the threat model is
traversing the public Internet.
I'll take that as a no.
For examples on claiming that
Our IBM cryptographic processors (HSMs) have been using this technique
since around 1996 - data that is stored in flash memory is encrypted with
a key that is destroyed on any attempt to tamper with the security module.
---
Todd W.
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:49:32 -0800
Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I commented in the
second paragraph, an attack at the ISP (where SSL/TLS is
of no help) has been the dominant threat -- and that is
why one of the main problems is called warrantless
wiretapping.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:10:01 -0800
Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:49:32 -0800
Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I commented in the
second paragraph, an attack at the ISP (where SSL/TLS is
of no help) has been the dominant threat
* Saqib Ali:
can anyone please shed more light on this patent. It seems like a
patent on the simple process of cryptographic erase..
Exactly. Niels Provos, Encrypting Virtual Memory, USENIX Security
2000, looks like something pretty close to prior art:
| We investigate several
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
You're confusing two concepts. Warrants apply to government
behavior; terming something a wireless wiretap carries the clear
implication of government action. Private action may or may not
violate the wiretap act or the Stored Communications Act, but it has
nothing to
On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 10:38:24AM -0800, Ed Gerck wrote:
List,
I would like to address and request comments on the use of SSL/TLS and port
587 for email security.
The often expressed idea that SSL/TLS and port 587 are somehow able to
prevent warrantless wiretapping and so on, or
Perry E. Metzger wrote:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6993661
Hat tip to a party who prefers to remain anonymous who sent me the
patent number.
Interesting. he patented E4M, then two years old or so...
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The
Unless people have more interesting stuff to say about TLS for email
submission, I'm closing the thread.
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Perry E. Metzger[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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