Re: [Cryptography] Der Spiegel: "NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data"
The article of "der Spiegel" in english can be found on: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-sma rt-phone-data-a-920971.html and an update ( in English ) will be added today. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: cryptography-bounces+nap.van.zuuren=pandora...@metzdowd.com [mailto:cryptography-bounces+nap.van.zuuren=pandora...@metzdowd.com] Namens Christian Huitema Verzonden: maandag 9 september 2013 6:22 Aan: 'Jerry Leichter'; 'Perry E. Metzger' CC: cryptography@metzdowd.com Onderwerp: Re: [Cryptography] Der Spiegel: "NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data" -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Apparently this was just a "teaser" article. The following is apparently the full story: http://cryptome.org/2013/09/nsa-smartphones.pdf I can't tell > for sure - it's the German original, and my German is non-existent. The high level summary is that phones contain a great deal of interesting information, that they can target IPhone and Android phone, and that after some pretty long efforts they can hack the Blackberry too. Bottom line, get a Windows Phone... - -- Christian Huitema -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using gpg4o v3.1.107.3564 - http://www.gpg4o.de/ Charset: utf-8 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSLUz0AAoJELba05IUOHVQTvUH/2XXo92DcMKpWUQ/8q4dg8BY 4B+/ytLy8tpBH33lT+u1yTpnLH/OV0h6mQdIusMun94JugGlJiePe0yC6zcsEE+s OgU1SNdvqRoc5whTiV6ZIMfoOakyzeLPonS+gZ6hOWBLjQf52JNVHE4ERWTOK5un iymLK36wTFqHceF6+iVrJEwaYEvLURpUB2U3dghC5OJyQzf5yqCvdYP18iStz2WT woSJikGps2dS7eV6vPtkqhar5EWXHpPPAYwZbDskuMx10Y8Z8ET+HTFAw5rV3d3L 925adBWQLjR73wpANRyH85LtsK6nJlJzW0D1IMBmFyOqKZsOxjZQ75dAyi4oE+o= =/S/b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ___ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [Cryptography] Der Spiegel: "NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data"
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Apparently this was just a "teaser" article. The following is apparently the > full story: http://cryptome.org/2013/09/nsa-smartphones.pdf I can't tell > > for sure - it's the German original, and my German is non-existent. The high level summary is that phones contain a great deal of interesting information, that they can target IPhone and Android phone, and that after some pretty long efforts they can hack the Blackberry too. Bottom line, get a Windows Phone... - -- Christian Huitema -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (MingW32) Comment: Using gpg4o v3.1.107.3564 - http://www.gpg4o.de/ Charset: utf-8 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSLUz0AAoJELba05IUOHVQTvUH/2XXo92DcMKpWUQ/8q4dg8BY 4B+/ytLy8tpBH33lT+u1yTpnLH/OV0h6mQdIusMun94JugGlJiePe0yC6zcsEE+s OgU1SNdvqRoc5whTiV6ZIMfoOakyzeLPonS+gZ6hOWBLjQf52JNVHE4ERWTOK5un iymLK36wTFqHceF6+iVrJEwaYEvLURpUB2U3dghC5OJyQzf5yqCvdYP18iStz2WT woSJikGps2dS7eV6vPtkqhar5EWXHpPPAYwZbDskuMx10Y8Z8ET+HTFAw5rV3d3L 925adBWQLjR73wpANRyH85LtsK6nJlJzW0D1IMBmFyOqKZsOxjZQ75dAyi4oE+o= =/S/b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [Cryptography] Der Spiegel: "NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data"
Apparently this was just a "teaser" article. The following is apparently the full story: http://cryptome.org/2013/09/nsa-smartphones.pdf I can't tell for sure - it's the German original, and my German is non-existent. -- Jerry ___ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [Cryptography] Der Spiegel: "NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data"
On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Not very surprising given everything else, but I thought I would > forward the link. It more or less contends that the NSA has exploits > for all major smartphones, which should not be surprising > http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html A remarkably poor article. Just what does "gain access to" mean? There are boxes sold to law enforcement (but never, of course, to the bad guys) that claim they can get access to any phone out there. If it's unlocked, everything is there for the taking; if it's locked, *some* of it is hard to get to, but most isn't. Same goes for Android. The article mentions that if they can get access to a machine the iPhone syncs with, they can get into the iPhone. Well golly gee. There was an attack reported just in the last couple of weeks in which someone built an attack into a fake charger! Grab a charge at a public charger, get infected for your trouble. Apple's fixed that in the next release by prompting the user for permission whenever an unfamiliar device asks for connection. But if you're in the machine the user normally connects to, that won't help. Nothing, really, will help. Really, for the common phones out there, the NSA could easily learn how to do this stuff with a quick Google search - and maybe paying a couple of thousand bucks to some of the companies that do it for a living. The article then goes on to say the NSA can get SMS texts. No kidding - so can the local cops. It's all unencrypted, and the Telco's are only too happy to cooperate with govmint' agencies. The only real news in the whole business is that they claim to have gotten into Blackberry's mail system. It's implied that they bought an employee with the access needed to weaken things for them. -- Jerry ___ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [Cryptography] Der Spiegel: "NSA Can Spy on Smart Phone Data"
The Spiegel article perhaps contains a key to this capability: "In the internal documents, experts boast about successful access to iPhone data in instances where the NSA is able to infiltrate the computer a person uses to sync their iPhone." I have not seen security measures such as requiring a password from the connected computer to a phone in order to access data such as contact lists, SMS history, .. This is probably done simply in order to provide maximum convenience to end users. ___ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
