Re: House o' Shame: Amtrak

2008-02-21 Thread John Levine
  http://amtrak.bfi0.com/.

Lesson for phishers: If you want your phish to seem more legit, outsource it
to Bigfoot Interactive, which seems to lead back to Epsilon Agency Services,
who specialise in... well, phishing, but for the good guys.  I bet the Russian
Business Network could do it for less though :-).

Having dealt at length with people from BFI/Epsilon, I can confirm that
many of them are not the sharpest needles in the etui.

This problem is well known in the ESP (bulk mail for hire) industry,
and the better ones know how to deal with it.  If you are on Orbitz'
mailing list, for example, the mail comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED],
and the links in the mail all go to http://my.orbitz.com/whatever.  Do
a few DNS lookups and you'll find NS records from Orbitz that delegate
my.orbitz.com to Responsys, their ESP.  This is a straightforward and
effective way to manage the namespace for outsourced mail, and my
biggest question is why so many ESPs don't do it yet.

R's,
John

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Re: House o' Shame: Amtrak

2008-02-15 Thread John Ioannidis
Not just Amtrak.  The Economist and The New Yorker both do the same 
thing.  I tried engaging them in a discussion on the subject.  The 
Economist never replied, whereas the New Yorker assured me that those 
addresses were indeed theirs.  I haven't figured out how to get past the 
clueless people whose job is not to be clueful and engage the clueless 
people whose job should be to be clueful.


/ji

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Re: House o' Shame: Amtrak

2008-02-15 Thread Peter Gutmann
Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Steve Bellovin documents on his blog a recent attempt by Amtrak to teach its
customers to be phishing victims:

http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2008-02/2008-02-13.html

From the blog:

  The next problem, though, is that the message asks people to log in by
  clicking a link in the message:

  Go to Amtrak.com now and update your profile
  http://amtrak.bfi0.com/.

It's not just Amtrak that do that, CapitalOne also send out phishing email
directing users to bfi0.com.

Lesson for phishers: If you want your phish to seem more legit, outsource it
to Bigfoot Interactive, which seems to lead back to Epsilon Agency Services,
who specialise in... well, phishing, but for the good guys.  I bet the Russian
Business Network could do it for less though :-).

Peter.

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