Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-18 Thread Steve Schear
At 08:05 AM 5/11/2006, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Let me again remind people that if you do not inform your elected representatives of your displeasure with this sort of thing, eventually you will not be in a position to inform them of your displeasure with this sort of thing. I think begging

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-17 Thread Russ Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You and I are in agreement, but how do we get the seemingly (to us) plain truth across to others? I've been trying for a good while now, reaching a point where I'd almost wish for a crisis of some sort as persuasiveness is not working. We are probably

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread dan
alan writes: -+-- | | Probably because most Americans believe they are being spied on | anyways. (And have for a very long time.) | Au contraire', it is precisely what, for example, my spouse would say: I live a decent life and have nothing to hide. As this and all

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread Nick Owen
Perry E. Metzger wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I agree with you, the public does not, so far as I can tell, find itself willing to risk insecurity for the benefit of preserving privacy, as this article in today's Boston Globe would tend to confirm. I'm sure. On the other hand, I

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread dan
Nick Owen writes: -+--- | ... | Or to teach pollsters to ask the correct questions. | ... All, Mr. Owen is dead-on. Speaking as someone who has had a formal education in statistics including the design of survey instruments, I will say that of all the ways in which it is

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread alan
On Fri, 12 May 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alan writes: -+-- | | Probably because most Americans believe they are being spied on | anyways. (And have for a very long time.) | Au contraire', it is precisely what, for example, my spouse would say: I live a decent life and have

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread alan
On Fri, 12 May 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perry E. Metzger writes: -+ | | And a personal note to you all: | | Let me again remind people that if you do not inform your elected | representatives of your displeasure with this sort of thing, | eventually you will not

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread dan
Alan, You and I are in agreement, but how do we get the seemingly (to us) plain truth across to others? I've been trying for a good while now, reaching a point where I'd almost wish for a crisis of some sort as persuasiveness is not working. We are probably well off-topic for this list. --dan

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread dan
alan writes: -+-- | | I guess the big question is one of trust. I cannot see why people | trust the Bush administration. Any time they have been given power | they have abused it or used it to destroy their rivals. | I don't think this has anything to do with any particular

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread Daniel F. Fisher
See also Title 18 section 2703(c)(2): (2) A provider of electronic communication service or remote computing service shall disclose to a governmental entity the - (A) name; (B) address; (C) local and long distance telephone connection records, or records of session times and durations; (D)

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-13 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You and I are in agreement, but how do we get the seemingly (to us) plain truth across to others? I've been trying for a good while now, reaching a point where I'd almost wish for a crisis of some sort as persuasiveness is not working. for other drift ... the stuff

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-12 Thread William Allen Simpson
Perry E. Metzger wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm Legal analysis from Center for Democracy and Technology at: http://www.cdt.org/publications/policyposts/2006/8 -- William Allen Simpson Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-12 Thread dan
Perry E. Metzger writes: -+ | | And a personal note to you all: | | Let me again remind people that if you do not inform your elected | representatives of your displeasure with this sort of thing, | eventually you will not be in a position to inform them of your |

Re: NSA knows who you've called.

2006-05-12 Thread Perry E. Metzger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While I agree with you, the public does not, so far as I can tell, find itself willing to risk insecurity for the benefit of preserving privacy, as this article in today's Boston Globe would tend to confirm. I'm sure. On the other hand, I think it is our place, as