Re: brute force physics Was: cleversafe...

2009-08-13 Thread Florian Weimer
* David Wagner: > (Do note that factoring is not NP-complete.) It's also possible to factor an n-bit number in O(n^k) integer additions, substractions, multiplications, divisions and comparisons to zero, for some smallish fixed value of k (an observations which is due to Schönhage, IIRC). So you

Re: brute force physics Was: cleversafe...

2009-08-13 Thread Alexander Klimov
Jerry Leichter wrote: >> If current physical theories are even approximately correct, >> there are limits to how many "bit flips" (which would >> encompass all possible binary operations) can occur in >> a fixed volume of space-time. > The physical arguments to which I was referring say *nothing*

Re: brute force physics Was: cleversafe...

2009-08-12 Thread David Wagner
Alexander Klimov wrote: > A problem with this reasoning is that the physical world and the usual > digital computers have exponential simulation gap (it is known at > least in one direction: to simulate N entangled particles on a digital > computer one needs computations exponential in N). This ca

Re: brute force physics Was: cleversafe...

2009-08-12 Thread Jerry Leichter
On Aug 10, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Alexander Klimov wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, Jerry Leichter wrote: Since people do keep bringing up Moore's Law in an attempt to justify larger keys our systems "stronger than cryptography," it's worth keeping in mind that we are approaching fairly deep physical limi