Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-16 Thread Eric Rescorla
At Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:33:10 -0400 (EDT), Leichter, Jerry wrote: For an interesting discussion of IPETEE, see: www.educatedguesswork.org/moveabletype/archives/2008/07/ipetee.html Brief summary: This is an initial discussion - the results of a drinking session - that got leaked as an

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-16 Thread zooko
On Jul 15, 2008, at 16:33 PM, Leichter, Jerry wrote: The goal is to use some form of opportunistic encryption to make as much Internet traffic as possible encrypted as quickly as possible - which puts all kinds of constraints on a solution, Oh, then they should learn about Adam Langley's

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-15 Thread Leichter, Jerry
For an interesting discussion of IPETEE, see: www.educatedguesswork.org/moveabletype/archives/2008/07/ipetee.html Brief summary: This is an initial discussion - the results of a drinking session - that got leaked as an actual proposal. The guys behind it are involved with The Pirate Bay. The

RE: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-11 Thread Dave Korn
John Ioannidis wrote on 10 July 2008 18:03: Eugen Leitl wrote: In case somebody missed it, http://www.tfr.org/wiki/index.php?title=Technical_Proposal_(IPETEE) If this is a joke, I'm not getting it. /ji I thought the bit about Set $wgLogo to the URL path to your own logo image was

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-11 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 05:08:39PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote: It does sound a lot like SSL/TLS without certs, ie. SSL/TLSweakened to make it vulnerable to MitM. Then again, if no Joe Punter ever knows the difference between a real and spoofed cert, we're pretty much in the same situation

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-10 Thread Eric Rescorla
At Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:10:27 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: In case somebody missed it, http://www.tfr.org/wiki/index.php?title=Technical_Proposal_(IPETEE) I'm not sure what the status of http://postel.org/anonsec/ is, the mailing list traffic dried up a while back. This is the first I

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-10 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 06:10:27PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: In case somebody missed it, http://www.tfr.org/wiki/index.php?title=Technical_Proposal_(IPETEE) I did miss it. Thanks for the link. I don't think in-band key exchange is desirable here, but, you never know what will triumph in

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-10 Thread James Cloos
Eugen == Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eugen I'm not sure what the status of http://postel.org/anonsec/ The IETF just created a new list and subscribed all anonsec subscribers: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/btns -JimC -- James Cloos [EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP:

Re: how bad is IPETEE?

2008-07-10 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 02:31:12PM -0400, James Cloos wrote: Eugen == Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eugen I'm not sure what the status of http://postel.org/anonsec/ The IETF just created a new list and subscribed all anonsec subscribers: